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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307419 Archived-At: sbaugh@catern.com writes: Hi, > Also, it's worth noting that process-file makes doing that a little > tricky. process-file already usually runs Lisp while waiting for the > process when it's using a remote file name handler, but when it's > running locally it just uses call-process. So users of process-file > would need to be converted to start-file-process so that they're > uniformly asynchronous. But, some TRAMP backends support process-file > but not start-file-process. So it's not clear what a programmer should > do if they want to synchronously run a process through a file name > handler, and they're fine with Lisp running during that. (Making > call-process optionally support running Lisp neatly solves this: > process-file users can just bind call-process-run-lisp to t around > process-file.) All of this sounds like a can of worms to Tramp. OMG. Please don't do this change. Best regards, Michael.