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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 944595785838798113955c7f335aa97f; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:50:50 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87h6oejct1.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:30:34 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.191.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309771 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > Though I do not agree that explaining that "there is nothing to fear" > will remove the fear. It is not how things work in psychology. Not > always, at least. This brings to mind: Canst thou not minister to a mind diseased, Pluck from the memory a rooted sorrow, Raze out the written troubles of the brain, And with some sweet oblivious antidote Cleanse the stuffed bosom of that perilous stuff Which weighs upon the heart? and of course, the only valid answer: Therein the patient Must minister to himself. > In any case, explained or not, this kind of convention will (1) force > people to expose their email in the thread Which is a problem because? > (2) create an extra obstacle to participate A justified and insignificant one, however. > (3) still gives no 100% guarantee that future discussion > will be CCed. How is this distinct from omitting the list itself from the carbon copy list? People (or MUAs) don't intentionally remove only individuals from the carbon copy list, they either preserve it intact or delete _everyone_, which includes the list and whatever message forwarding system it might use. Read only access to the list through a more reasonable system is afforded through Gmane, and we could always start gnu.emacs.devel once the FSF repairs the net news gateway. > May you elaborate? Any such forwarding system, if it does materialize, will compel us to account for its existence and limitations before posting. Or else it will be absolutely meaningless.