From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> Cc: 65734@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, manikulin@gmail.com, iota@whxvd.name Subject: bug#65734: [BUG] kill-whole-line on folded subtrees [9.6.8 (release_9.6.8-3-g21171d @ /home/w/usr/emacs/0/29/0/lisp/org/)] Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 15:44:29 +0000 [thread overview] Message-ID: <87wmsfj2n6.fsf@localhost> (raw) In-Reply-To: <jwv1qap88jp.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: >>> I said that remapping widely-used keys to commands that behave >>> significantly differently places a non-trivial burden on users, >>> especially on those who use the remapping mode relatively rarely. >> >> Sure. From which I concluded that Org mode should avoid remapping > > I don't think that's what it means. It means that it depends on what is > the end-user-visible effect. If the remapped version of the command > "does the same" conceptually, then it's OK (even more so if the > non-remapped version of the command ends up misbehaving). Ok. I stand corrected. > I think the main question is: can we expect that some users out there > will want to use the non-remapped version of the command because they > prefer its behavior? We received no bug reports complaining about non-standard behaviour of remapped functions AFAIK. So, I do not think that Org mode has problems here. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, 65734@debbugs.gnu.org, manikulin@gmail.com, iota@whxvd.name Subject: Re: bug#65734: [BUG] kill-whole-line on folded subtrees [9.6.8 (release_9.6.8-3-g21171d @ /home/w/usr/emacs/0/29/0/lisp/org/)] Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 15:44:29 +0000 [thread overview] Message-ID: <87wmsfj2n6.fsf@localhost> (raw) In-Reply-To: <jwv1qap88jp.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: >>> I said that remapping widely-used keys to commands that behave >>> significantly differently places a non-trivial burden on users, >>> especially on those who use the remapping mode relatively rarely. >> >> Sure. From which I concluded that Org mode should avoid remapping > > I don't think that's what it means. It means that it depends on what is > the end-user-visible effect. If the remapped version of the command > "does the same" conceptually, then it's OK (even more so if the > non-remapped version of the command ends up misbehaving). Ok. I stand corrected. > I think the main question is: can we expect that some users out there > will want to use the non-remapped version of the command because they > prefer its behavior? We received no bug reports complaining about non-standard behaviour of remapped functions AFAIK. So, I do not think that Org mode has problems here. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-01-11 15:44 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2023-09-04 16:30 [BUG] kill-whole-line on folded subtrees [9.6.8 (release_9.6.8-3-g21171d @ /home/w/usr/emacs/0/29/0/lisp/org/)] Sebastian Miele 2023-09-05 10:29 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-05 10:29 ` bug#65734: " Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-05 11:54 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-05 11:54 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-05 15:25 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-05 15:25 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-05 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-06 8:23 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-06 8:23 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-06 12:16 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-06 13:30 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-06 13:30 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-07 13:49 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-07 13:49 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-10 16:31 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-10 16:57 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-12 13:04 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-12 14:09 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-12-25 18:53 ` Sebastian Miele 2024-01-06 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-06-19 14:01 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-06-19 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-06-22 9:00 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-06-22 9:51 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-06-23 19:26 ` bug#65734: 29.1.50; kill-whole-line and visibility of Org subtrees Andrea Corallo 2024-06-22 19:00 ` bug#65734: [BUG] kill-whole-line on folded subtrees [9.6.8 (release_9.6.8-3-g21171d @ /home/w/usr/emacs/0/29/0/lisp/org/)] Stefan Kangas 2024-06-27 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-12-04 12:42 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-12-04 23:20 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-06 12:16 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-05 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-06 8:30 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-06 8:30 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-06 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-06 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-07 10:00 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-07 10:00 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-07 10:19 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-07 10:27 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-07 10:27 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-07 13:43 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-07 13:43 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-07 10:19 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-06 15:04 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-06 15:04 ` Sebastian Miele 2023-09-07 10:03 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-07 10:03 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-05 14:30 ` Max Nikulin 2023-09-05 14:30 ` Max Nikulin 2023-09-05 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-05 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-05 15:50 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-05 15:50 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-05 16:02 ` Max Nikulin 2023-09-05 16:02 ` Max Nikulin 2023-09-05 16:12 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-05 16:12 ` Ihor Radchenko 2023-09-05 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii 2023-09-05 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-07 16:27 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-01-07 16:27 ` Stefan Monnier 2024-01-08 12:15 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-08 12:15 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-08 15:33 ` Stefan Monnier 2024-01-09 14:52 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-09 16:48 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-01-09 16:48 ` Stefan Monnier 2024-01-09 22:21 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-09 22:21 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-09 14:52 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-08 15:33 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-01-09 15:47 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-09 15:47 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-09 16:01 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-01-09 16:01 ` Stefan Monnier 2024-01-09 22:33 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-10 3:08 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-01-10 3:08 ` Stefan Monnier 2024-01-10 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-10 13:05 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-10 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-10 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-11 15:50 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-11 15:50 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-11 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-11 16:15 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-11 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-11 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-11 18:08 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-11 18:08 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-11 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-12 12:24 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-12 12:24 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-12 12:32 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-12 12:32 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-12 12:39 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-12 12:39 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-12 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-12 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-12 14:15 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-12 14:15 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-11 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-12 21:09 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-01-12 21:09 ` Stefan Monnier 2024-01-12 21:16 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-12 21:16 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-11 16:15 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-11 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-10 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors 2024-01-10 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier 2024-01-10 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-10 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-11 15:44 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message] 2024-01-11 15:44 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-10 13:05 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-10 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii 2024-01-09 22:33 ` Ihor Radchenko 2024-01-09 15:50 ` Ihor Radchenko
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