From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scratch buffer annoyance Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:54:37 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87veanu8t6.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87tzqv1sui.fsf@jurta.org> <87ir7bnm97.fsf@jurta.org> <87absl7sdo.fsf@jurta.org> <87tzqrt8ts.fsf@jurta.org> <87wsvjadfq.fsf@jurta.org> <87d4x9ewfz.fsf@jurta.org> <87fy1wn4ue.fsf@jurta.org> <87lkbn8jc8.fsf@jurta.org> <874piaujgz.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189092824 21886 80.91.229.12 (6 Sep 2007 15:33:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 06 17:33:44 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ITJMU-00016R-ID for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:33:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJMS-0004Lw-H6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJMP-0004Ln-8u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:33:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJMN-0004LS-31 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:33:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ITJMM-0004LP-Ti for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ITJMJ-0008PZ-5M; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:33:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ITJLu-0008cB-09; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:33:14 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed\, 05 Sep 2007 16\:02\:45 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 3b10ce253585130f5293a5b36593fd37 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1445 [September 6 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:77985 Archived-At: > I just did substantial work on both the fancy and text-only > startup and about screens. I put back PART of what was there before. Please see my comments on your changes: * fancy-startup-text: "GNU Emacs" could be linked to "http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/" similar to how you linked "GNU/Linux" to "http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html". Unfortunately, you deleted the link to the customization of the startup screen (but other text-only startup screens still have it). This is essential to make it easy for the user to disable the startup screen, because it is useful mostly for beginners, and is annoying for other users. Text-only startup screens are welcoming, but fancy startup screen is not: i.e. text-only screen says "Welcome to GNU Emacs, one component ...", but fancy startup screen simply says: "GNU Emacs is one component ..." The fancy screen could say the same. * normal-mouse-startup-screen: The text-only no-mouse startup screen have a link to the *scratch* buffer, but text-only mouse startup screen doesn't. Is it needed? * normal-no-mouse-startup-screen: In two places of this screen, there are two adjacent empty lines ("\n\n\n"). This wastes space and makes the screen taller than 24 lines. Should two empty lines be changed to one? * fancy-about-text: I think the About screen should not duplicate items available in the Help menu, because usually users invoke the About screen from the main menu, where they can see other items. For instance, "GNU and Freedom" is available under the menu "Help / About GNU". "Emacs Tutorial" is available under "Help / Emacs Tutorial". What is still missing I think is "How to contribute" and "Contributors" from the files CONTRIBUTE and AUTHORS. But before making a link to these files, perhaps they should be moved to the etc directory. * normal-about-screen: The text-only no-mouse about screen says: "To follow a link, click Mouse-1 on it, or move to it and type RET." I think we should delete text "click Mouse-1 on it". * Help menu: To make it easier for users to find the About menu item, we could follow the convention that the About menu item is the last item in the Help menu. So I propose to move two menu items About Emacs About GNU to the end of the Help menu, replacing "Emacs Psychotherapist". And to move "Emacs Psychotherapist" to be after "Send Bug Report..." and "Emacs Known Problems", thus helping users to find it to overcome frustrations caused by Emacs bugs and problems :-) -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/