From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Malte Spiess Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Can Emacs beat NetBeans or Eclipse? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:03:14 +0100 Organization: Arcor Message-ID: <87ve6xxcdp.fsf@kirt.news.arcor.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197927685 15392 80.91.229.12 (17 Dec 2007 21:41:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:41:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 17 22:41:35 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J4NiP-0006iy-Ai for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:41:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J4Ni6-0006nv-Cj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:41:14 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool1.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Dv6dubTaWNBAec3j6taSpng3Ctk= Original-Lines: 39 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Dec 2007 22:03:14 CET Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: bbcab591.newsspool4.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=DV\@045i[9Uf8j24CD<3lP4IUKTlRDiMl[ Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:154733 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:50158 Archived-At: "John Wells" writes: > What I'd like to understand is where emacs hits the "text editor" wall > when it comes to Java development. I've already looked at it's Ruby > support (my other current language) and it looks very strong, but in > terms of Java development I'm betting that there is a point you reach > with emacs where you can go no further. For example, debugging Java, > refactoring Java, and deep insight into Java data structures for > navigation, refactoring, etc. Well, since you can use lisp-functions in Emacs, there are basically no limits. Especially for JDEE there are lots of really nice features that you can use or adjust to your needs. A good idea would be to join the JDEE mailinglists to share your ideas with other developers. > NetBeans, Eclipse, and other Java-based Java IDEs have an easier time > with understanding the semantics of Java, I'd wager, simply because > they *are* Java. > > I guess what I'm looking for is to understand: what can you do, as a > java developer, in NetBeans or Eclipse that you can't do (reasonably) > in emacs? Since I don't use these tools I can't really tell, but many things that work with a standard Eclipse installation will not with JDEE. You can add most things by hand though with a little lisp/Emacs knowledge. For me the biggest fortune of Emacs is rather that you can use one tool for everything and don't have to learn new script languages all the time. It's not so much that it's the best Java IDE around... > Thanks guys! I appreciate the guidance! > > John Greetings Malte