From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: vc-set-mode-line-busy-indicator Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:27:01 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87ve43mmk6.fsf@jurta.org> References: <18370.47294.641890.556694@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18371.9275.720477.806834@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <2vzltos6g1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <18371.49683.356527.589505@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18377.55334.203888.524043@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <434pbqcaz5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k5kljhik.fsf@jurta.org> <200803031713.m23HDD4n019165@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18380.27737.625118.327783@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204586921 6882 80.91.229.12 (3 Mar 2008 23:28:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , Dan Nicolaescu , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 04 00:29:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JWK5b-0008P2-C6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:29:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JWK53-00022K-Dd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:28:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JWK4y-0001yv-8l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:28:20 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JWK4w-0001wN-Go for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:28:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JWK4w-0001vx-CJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:28:18 -0500 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JWK4q-0001Br-P2; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:28:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JWK4g-000CGW-Rv; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:28:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <18380.27737.625118.327783@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:23:37 +1300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 0a21689c2f1d2e94d8aa83f1a1b60733 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2349 [Mar 3 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 11 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91255 Archived-At: > > If it's just bold and no other colors, then it's not a good idea. For > > some fonts the bold form is not easy to distinguish from the normal > > one. More, bold is hard to see with the peripheral vision, so changes > > in the mode-line are harder to observe. > > For now, I suggest we just go with Juri's idea. I'm sure it's no good for > users with tunnel vision and without bold fonts, but it seems an improvement > and probably covers most users. > > Later, if the need arises, someone can build a framework of faces that > work on the mode-line. Please note that my opinion was mostly about the face name: in typography emphasis is usually achieved by bold (and italic). If the need for more strong indication arises then a better name for the face with stronger colors would be `mode-line-warning'. Since now Richard argued even for using no mode line indication at all, bold doesn't seem too bad. It is not strong and still helps to notice the status of the vc command. For fonts that don't support bold we could use the defface's keyword `supports' to detect this and use a fallback definition. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/