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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-*
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:01:36 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vdzdflfj.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86prplzd45.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:40:58 -0500")

> JL> 1. Could you also add rules to input vowels with the combining acute
> JL> accent like you did for the combining grave accent, i.e. could you add
> JL> ("a'" ["а́"]) and other vowels with the primary stress?
>
> Done.  I had to remove some conflicting rules.

Thanks, this is close to perfect now.  However, I noticed yet another
conflicting rule: ("u'" ?ў) ("U'" ?Ў).  Since it is У with breve,
we could use the same key tilde ~ as used by Latin input methods to
input Latin letters with breve: ("u~" ?ў) ("U~" ?Ў).

> JL> 2. There are now two conflicting rules: ("E`" ["Ѐ"]) and ("E`" ?Э).
>
> Moved Э to @@ (since э was on @ already).

It is too bad to drop ("e'" ?э) since it is a frequently used letter.
I propose to add a rule ("e\\" ?э) because `э' is named REVERSED E,
and REVERSE SOLIDUS `\' has similar mnemonics.

> JL> 3. I just realized that we could leave the rule ("'" ?ь), because
> JL> it has no conflict with ("a'" ["а́"]).  The letter `ь' is never used
> JL> after a vowel.
>
> Done, and '' is also back to Ь.  x/X again input Cyrillic х/Х.

Thanks, it is important to keep mappings backward-compatible if possible.

> JL> 4. Please swap the mappings between ("/``" ?”) and ("/''" ?“),
> JL> and also between ("/'" ?‘) and ("/`" ?’), because usually backquotes
> JL> are used for left quotation marks, and apostrophes are used for right
> JL> quotation marks.
>
> OK.  Please check my work, I did my best to proofread the rules.

Everything seems correct now.

> JL> I tried the patch that Handa-san submitted in 2007, and it works well
> JL> (with only one change of removing unnecessary `nreverse').  So I think
> JL> we should now design a good UI to use multiple input method support.
>
> I think the variable default-input-method should accept a list with
> implied priority (first is highest) or a function (returning a list or a
> string), and DTRT.

I agree that this is the most reasonable way to implement this feature.
I only have doubts about backward-compatibility if it might break some
existing code.

> C-u C-\ should only enable the first method in the list.
> C-u 2 C-\ should enable the first two methods.
> C-\ enables all the methods in the chain.

I think there is no need in such complexity since in the minibuffer
after typing C-\ you can select multiple input methods.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/




  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-10 22:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-13 14:27 composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-* Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-13 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-13 15:56 ` Jason Rumney
2008-06-13 18:09   ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-14  9:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-14 18:55       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-06-14 19:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-18 20:17           ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-19 11:45             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-02 20:25               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-03  2:29                 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-03 19:53                   ` adding consistent extra symbols to input methods (cyrillic-*, croatian-*, slov*, czech-* etc.) input methods Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-05 12:54                     ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-06 18:40                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-06 22:54                         ` Miles Bader
2008-07-10  0:09                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10  0:37                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-10  0:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10  1:44                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-10  1:15                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-10  0:27                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10  1:16                             ` Miles Bader
2008-07-10 18:43                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-11  2:52                                 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-07  1:57                         ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-07  4:39                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-07  5:25                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-07 19:42                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-07 22:05                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-13  5:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-13  5:17                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-07-13 21:27                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-14  3:18                                       ` Miles Bader
2008-07-14  4:43                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-14 21:51                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-15  1:24                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-28 13:30                                               ` multiple input methods (was: adding consistent extra symbols to input methods) Juri Linkov
2008-07-06 18:41     ` composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-* Juri Linkov
2008-07-07 20:12       ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-07 21:42         ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-08  0:48           ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-08 10:46           ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-07-08 21:47             ` David Kastrup
2008-07-08 15:37           ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-08 17:38             ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 22:54             ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 16:02               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 18:02                 ` James Cloos
2008-07-09 18:49                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 19:51                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 18:48                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 19:33                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 22:14                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 23:52                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 12:47                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 18:45                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 19:10                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 19:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 20:40                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 22:01                                   ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2008-07-12 20:51                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-14 14:01                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-14 21:47                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-15 15:06                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-15 20:32                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-08-01 21:07                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-05 21:00                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-05 22:05                                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-10 22:09                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-10 22:54                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-11  1:26                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-11  2:08                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-09 19:21                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-08 15:49           ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 18:50             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-08 19:50               ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 20:26                 ` composed characters question and suggestions for?quail-cyrillic-* Teemu Likonen

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