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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
Cc: Geoff Gole <geoffgole@gmail.com>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Idempotency of add-hook wrt lambda expressions
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:27:28 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vdqo92tb.fsf@xemacs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <74F2CF19-2E71-473F-A352-A628B3B29A8E@gmail.com>

David Reitter writes:

 > On 4 Mar 2009, at 09:18, Stefan Monnier wrote:
 > 
 > > As a general rule, you should not put a lambda but a function name
 > > (i.e. a symbol) instead, to avoid all those problems (and be able to
 > > replace the function with a newer version of it).  But occasionally
 > > a lambda is really exactly what you want, of course.

 > People haven't adopted this, and this is pretty annoying.
 > 
 > A similar case are commands bound to menu items (or any other keys): C- 
 > h k does not bring up something useful for keys that are just bound to  
 > a lambda term.
 > 
 > As for hooks, is a lambda expression ever suitable to be added to a  
 > hook?
 > Would it make sense to change add-hook such that only true function  
 > names are allowed?

In all these cases the problem that you consistently run into is that
Emacs Lisp doesn't have namespaces/packages.  It's very common to want
to make a small tweak to a command's default arguments when it's used
as a hook or menu item, and adding more symbols for that just feels
wrong.  Not to mention getting in the way of completion.

lambdas may have docstrings, and probably things like C-h k would find
them if provided.  Hm, easy enough to check:

  (define-key global-map [(control c) z]
              (lambda () "Found doc!" (interactive) (message "yowza")))

C-h k C-c z ==>
C-c z runs (lambda nil Found doc! (interactive) (message yowza))

Found doc!

So the obvious workaround is to report a bug if a lambda in a menu
item doesn't have a docstring.  Maybe there should be a describe-hook
help function that returns a buffer like

----------------------------------------------------------------
foo-hook runs, in this order:

1. default-foo-hook-function
Drink foo in bar.

2. (lambda ...)
Call auxiliary-foo-hook-function with argument "hair of dog".
----------------------------------------------------------------




  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-05  1:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-04 12:10 Idempotency of add-hook wrt lambda expressions Geoff Gole
2009-03-04 14:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-04 20:13   ` xah lee
2009-03-04 21:23     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-04 21:27       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-03-05 17:22         ` M Jared Finder
2009-03-04 21:00   ` David Reitter
2009-03-05  1:27     ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2009-03-05  1:54     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-05  8:23       ` Geoff Gole
2009-03-05  9:49         ` David Kastrup
2009-03-05 11:41           ` tomas
2009-03-05 11:53           ` Geoff Gole
2009-03-05 16:45             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-05 16:33               ` Helmut Eller
2009-03-05 16:38               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-05 16:50               ` Geoff Gole
2009-03-05 16:38           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-05 20:44           ` Reiner Steib
2009-03-05 20:59             ` Edward O'Connor
2009-03-05 21:08               ` Reiner Steib
2009-03-06  9:36                 ` David Kastrup
2009-03-05 16:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-05 16:37   ` Stefan Monnier

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