From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:09:59 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87vdkwwpmg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249859872 24199 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2009 23:17:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Xah Lee , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 10 01:17:44 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MaHe3-0003pa-Ku for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:17:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54266 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaHe3-0000zb-2F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:17:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaHdx-0000yj-MX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:17:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaHds-0000uS-TK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:17:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35918 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaHds-0000uP-Mj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:17:32 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out1.starman.ee ([85.253.0.3]:56383 helo=mx1.starman.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MaHdr-0002Bm-VI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:17:32 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.54.6.cable.starman.ee [82.131.54.6]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id C867E3F4119; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:17:24 +0300 (EEST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:36:04 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113890 Archived-At: >> The non-interactive search menus are for one-time use, and do not have >> keyboard shortcuts. This operation method is extremely inefficient, an= d >> probably is almost never used statistically. Since Emacs provides >> interactive search features, both by menu as well as by keyboard >> shortcut, it should replace these one-time find menu items > > I agree that getting rid of the non-interactive search items in > Edit->Search would be a good simplification. Then we could replace these items with "Search files" (grep) and "Recursive grep" (rgrep) in Edit->Search. >> * The Goto beginning/ending of buffer is useless as a menu. Users >> can intuitively press the Page Up, Page Down keys, scroll the mous= e, >> or =E2=80=9CCtrl+Home=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CCtrl+End=E2=80=9D to d= o the same thing. All these >> methods are familiar to users because they are implemented in most >> apps across Windows, Mac, Linux. For those using Emacs's =E2=80=9C= M-<=E2=80=9D and >> =E2=80=9CM->=E2=80=9D shortcuts, they don't need the menu or the m= enu to >> remind them. > > Not sure about these. They're not very useful maybe, but they do serve > the purpose of indicating what is the canonical keybinding for > those commands. I think there are enough places in Emacs (tutorials, manuals) that teach using M-< and M->. >> Emacs 22's Options menu. >> * The =E2=80=9CActive Region Highlighting=E2=80=9D is on by defaul= t in Emacs >> 23. This behavior is standard in all modern editors. For old time >> Emacs users who want it off, they can be easily do so thru >> Customization menu or elisp code. > > Maybe this will make sense at some point, but just activating it by > default in Emacs-23 required a fair bit of confrontation. One of the > conditions to turn it on was that it be as easy as possible to turn it > back off, even in those cases where modifying the .emacs is not an > option (e.g. using someone else's Emacs). BTW, the Options menu should also contain an item to toggle `delete-selection-mode' since there is much demand for it. --=20 Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/