From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs for new users Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:04:47 -0500 Message-ID: <87vdh19cls.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <4p4rt6-2ne.ln1@lesharris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259011338 16839 80.91.229.12 (23 Nov 2009 21:22:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Les Harris , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 23 22:22:10 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NCgML-00025r-HC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:22:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51530 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCgMK-0008Fi-Td for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:22:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCg5p-0008Ix-6i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:05:05 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCg5k-0008FX-CS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:05:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59934 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCg5k-0008FR-58 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:05:00 -0500 Original-Received: from pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.79]:52246) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCg5j-0007OW-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:04:59 -0500 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014119.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nANL4lV8012993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:04:47 -0500 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AC283C071; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:04:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:28:18 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117624 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: >> With that said, I think a solution to the learning-emacs-in-classroom and >> emacs-for-new-users problems is the same: include a .emacs which turns >> on things like CUA mode to make operation more familiar. > > The problem is that it does not work as good as it could in all > situations. Since CUA is not the default not so much effort in getting > rid of all ruogh things. Not that you can't work around them, but it > is not so easy for a newcomer. The primary barrier to CUA is that it destroys the long-established standard that C-c LETTER is free for binding to Emacs user commands. So we won't be moving to CUA any time soon. For those that want it, it's just a click away on the Options menu.