From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:58:28 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87vddefvwb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <86bpf7q3fc.wl%lluis@ginnungagap.pc.ac.upc.edu> <87wrxvyijr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B8C42E2.3080308@siege-engine.com> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09227D1F24@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <878wabxg0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mxyrhxq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87635eycga.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hboyhfnt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87zl2qwsgk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267552752 27871 80.91.229.12 (2 Mar 2010 17:59:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:59:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 02 18:59:06 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmWN3-0002ls-BQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:59:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39355 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmWN2-0001gm-W5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:59:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NmWMx-0001gN-J8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:58:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47774 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmWMv-0001fu-2y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:58:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmWMu-0004Cy-2X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:58:52 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:58969) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmWMt-0004Co-S5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:58:52 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmWMj-0002TM-C6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:58:41 +0100 Original-Received: from p5b2c2774.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.44.39.116]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:58:41 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by p5b2c2774.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:58:41 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 18 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5b2c2774.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1Gjv/vyGuXogtrmnJyA/whfBqZE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121557 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > The question is not "did it work well in the past?" The question is, > "in the future, do we want to attract the unbelievers to freedom, or > do we want to just sit around and congratulate ourselves on our own > purity?" Taking a look at the GNU/Linux user demographic, there is little enough doubt that "attracting unbelievers to freedom" is happening in copious amounts. The vast majority enjoys its fruits but can't be bothered all too much about its origins. Creating cheapened versions for the sake of temporarily catching their attention span does not seem like a sustainable long-term bargain. Watering down always needs some substance to start with. -- David Kastrup