From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:43:56 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87vdd0mu8z.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268473529 16295 80.91.229.12 (13 Mar 2010 09:45:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:45:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 13 10:45:25 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqNuO-0005se-Iq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:45:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36238 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqNuN-0007RY-Ks for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 04:45:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NqNuG-0007QX-0Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 04:45:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=55052 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqNuB-0007O6-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 04:45:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqNu9-0004lw-82 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 04:45:11 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:57063) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqNu9-0004ls-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 04:45:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqNu3-0005i9-JF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:45:03 +0100 Original-Received: from pik.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de ([134.109.6.1]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:45:03 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by pik.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:45:03 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pik.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:u1MH5fr0pJETkQjhZapwGjIsW3s= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121896 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: > Dan Nicolaescu writes: > >> > I'm familiar with the advantages, but this battle was fought long ago. >> > Every graphical user interface created in the last X years puts the >> > scroll bar on the right. >> >> I don't think that can be used as an argument. If it could, then >> delete-selection-mode would be the default too, that's what everything >> on the desktop does... > > Compatibility with other apps is a valid argument, just not an absolute > rule. With scrollbars, we are not talking about "compatibility" but "similarity". "compatibility" would be an issue when scripting applications tried applying clicks to the scrollbar. There is no compatibility issue involved here. >> > Try naming one other application on a modern >> > GNU/Linux desktop that does the opposite by default---they don't exist. >> >> xterm AKA the only terminal that actually works. > > (The key word is "modern"; and personally, I use xterm with the > scrollbar disabled.) So you are for disabling scrollbars altogether in Emacs? Or what point are you trying to make? -- David Kastrup