Columns with LaTeX beamer export

Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Tassilo Horn]

Hi all,

I cannot understand how to create a beamer frame with columns.  Neither
the info docs nor Worg make me grasp it.

It somehow works if I add some additional outline structure like that:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
** Situation                                                      :B_columns:
   :PROPERTIES:
   :BEAMER_env: columns
   :END:
*** Zu erstellendes System ist nach /Analyse/ und /Entwurf/ hinreichend spezifiziert  :BMCOL:
    :PROPERTIES:
    :BEAMER_col: 0.7
    :END:
*** Aufgabe der *Implementationsphase*: Programmierung des spezifizierten Entwurfs in der festgelegten Zielsprache
      - *Programmieren im Kleinen*
      - Heute immer öfter: Einsatz von *Generierungstechniken*

*** Der Lebenslauf                                                    :BMCOL:
    :PROPERTIES:
    :BEAMER_col: 0.3
    :END:

   #+ATTR_LaTeX: width=0.45\textwidth
   [[./cycle.pdf]]
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

But I don't want to do that.  The problem with that approach is that
"Der Lebenslauf" is now an item, but I just want to put the pdf image on
the right column.  And that the top-level entries are on one line looks
also bad.

From the docs, I can grasp that a new column starts at an entry with
:BEAMER_col: property.  But since I cannot put a property on something
else than a headline, I don't understand how Worg mentions "Columns
without additional outline structure".

Can anyone enlighten me with an example with some columns and no
additional outline structure?

Thanks a lot,
Tassilo

Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:46:49 +0200, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I cannot understand how to create a beamer frame with columns.  Neither
> the info docs nor Worg make me grasp it.
> 
> It somehow works if I add some additional outline structure like that:
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> ** Situation                                                      :B_columns:
>    :PROPERTIES:
>    :BEAMER_env: columns
>    :END:
> *** Zu erstellendes System ist nach /Analyse/ und /Entwurf/ hinreichend spezifiziert  :BMCOL:
>     :PROPERTIES:
>     :BEAMER_col: 0.7
>     :END:
> *** Aufgabe der *Implementationsphase*: Programmierung des spezifizierten Entwurfs in der festgelegten Zielsprache
>       - *Programmieren im Kleinen*
>       - Heute immer öfter: Einsatz von *Generierungstechniken*
> 
> *** Der Lebenslauf                                                    :BMCOL:
>     :PROPERTIES:
>     :BEAMER_col: 0.3
>     :END:
> 
>    #+ATTR_LaTeX: width=0.45\textwidth
>    [[./cycle.pdf]]
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> But I don't want to do that.  The problem with that approach is that
> "Der Lebenslauf" is now an item, but I just want to put the pdf image on
> the right column.  And that the top-level entries are on one line looks
> also bad.
> 
> >From the docs, I can grasp that a new column starts at an entry with
> :BEAMER_col: property.  But since I cannot put a property on something
> else than a headline, I don't understand how Worg mentions "Columns
> without additional outline structure".
> 
> Can anyone enlighten me with an example with some columns and no
> additional outline structure?
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> Tassilo

Tassilo, I wrote a simple tutorial for beamer in org which you can
find on Worg (sorry: I'm offline so don't have the link at hand).

If I understood your message correctly, the solution may be to specify
the type of column environment to use (and what to do with the heading
of the column).  Type "C-c C-b" and select one of the environments
suggested.  I typically choose one of "b" (block), "e" (example) or
"i" (ignore heading).

HTH,
eric

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Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Tassilo Horn]

On Tuesday 06 July 2010 17:08:48 Eric S Fraga wrote:

Hi Eric,

> Tassilo, I wrote a simple tutorial for beamer in org which you can
> find on Worg (sorry: I'm offline so don't have the link at hand).

I think, I have read that and didn't understand it completely.

Oh, wait, you mean that

  http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-beamer/tutorial.php

right.  Oh, yeah, there's an example which does the trick. ;-)

> If I understood your message correctly, the solution may be to specify
> the type of column environment to use (and what to do with the heading
> of the column).  Type "C-c C-b" and select one of the environments
> suggested.  I typically choose one of "b" (block), "e" (example) or
> "i" (ignore heading).

Yeah, the ":BEAMER_env: ignoreheading" property does what I want.
Thanks a lot for the pointer to your nice tutorial.

But my real question was concerning the point

  Columns without additional outline structure

in http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-beamer.php.  Especially the
sentence "The column ends at the next entry with such a property." makes
me head-shaking.  How can there be a next entry in that frame, if I
don't add an additional outline structure?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:04:03 +0200, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 06 July 2010 17:08:48 Eric S Fraga wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> > Tassilo, I wrote a simple tutorial for beamer in org which you can
> > find on Worg (sorry: I'm offline so don't have the link at hand).
> 
> I think, I have read that and didn't understand it completely.
> 
> Oh, wait, you mean that
> 
>   http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-beamer/tutorial.php
> 
> right.  Oh, yeah, there's an example which does the trick. ;-)
> 
> > If I understood your message correctly, the solution may be to specify
> > the type of column environment to use (and what to do with the heading
> > of the column).  Type "C-c C-b" and select one of the environments
> > suggested.  I typically choose one of "b" (block), "e" (example) or
> > "i" (ignore heading).
> 
> Yeah, the ":BEAMER_env: ignoreheading" property does what I want.
> Thanks a lot for the pointer to your nice tutorial.

You're welcome and I'm glad you found what you needed.

> But my real question was concerning the point
> 
>   Columns without additional outline structure
> 
> in http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-beamer.php.  Especially the
> sentence "The column ends at the next entry with such a property." makes
> me head-shaking.  How can there be a next entry in that frame, if I
> don't add an additional outline structure?

I didn't write this but I think this means that if one column starts
at, say, a 2nd level heading (**), the end of content for that column
is the next heading at the same level, or the end of the frame (i.e. a
heading at a higher level (*)).

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Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Tassilo Horn]

Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

Hi Eric,

>> But my real question was concerning the point
>> 
>>   Columns without additional outline structure
>> 
>> in http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-beamer.php.  Especially
>> the sentence "The column ends at the next entry with such a
>> property." makes me head-shaking.  How can there be a next entry in
>> that frame, if I don't add an additional outline structure?
>
> I didn't write this but I think this means that if one column starts
> at, say, a 2nd level heading (**), the end of content for that column
> is the next heading at the same level, or the end of the frame (i.e. a
> heading at a higher level (*)).

Well, but then I do have an outline structure.  At least that "Columns
without additional outline structure" headline sounded to me like I
could have something like this completely hypothetical stuff.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
* My 2 Column Frame
  :PROPERTIES:
  :BEAMER_env: columns
  :BEAMER_col: 0.5 0.5
  :END:

  - left col text
  - more left col text

  - right col text
  - more right col text
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:36:38 +0200, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> wrote:
> 
> Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> >> But my real question was concerning the point
> >> 
> >>   Columns without additional outline structure
> >> 
> >> in http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-beamer.php.  Especially
> >> the sentence "The column ends at the next entry with such a
> >> property." makes me head-shaking.  How can there be a next entry in
> >> that frame, if I don't add an additional outline structure?
> >
> > I didn't write this but I think this means that if one column starts
> > at, say, a 2nd level heading (**), the end of content for that column
> > is the next heading at the same level, or the end of the frame (i.e. a
> > heading at a higher level (*)).
> 
> Well, but then I do have an outline structure.  At least that "Columns
> without additional outline structure" headline sounded to me like I
> could have something like this completely hypothetical stuff.
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> * My 2 Column Frame
>   :PROPERTIES:
>   :BEAMER_env: columns
>   :BEAMER_col: 0.5 0.5
>   :END:
> 
>   - left col text
>   - more left col text
> 
>   - right col text
>   - more right col text
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> Bye,
> Tassilo

I'm sorry Tassilo but I do not understand your point.  Lists are not
part of an outline structure so there is only one outline component in
this example.

Maybe others can chime in here...

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Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Tassilo Horn]

On Tuesday 06 July 2010 22:47:35 Eric S Fraga wrote:

Hi Eric,

> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> > * My 2 Column Frame
> >   :PROPERTIES:
> >   :BEAMER_env: columns
> >   :BEAMER_col: 0.5 0.5
> >   :END:
> > 
> >   - left col text
> >   - more left col text
> > 
> >   - right col text
> >   - more right col text
> > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> I'm sorry Tassilo but I do not understand your point.  Lists are not
> part of an outline structure so there is only one outline component in
> this example.

Yes, that's exactly the point I don't understand in the paragraph

  "Columns *without* additional outline structure"

in the org-tutorials/org-beamer.org file in Worg.  This headline implies
(to me) that I can have a slide with many columns but no outline
structure, except the headline for the frame itself.

It states, that adding the :BEAMER_env: columns property to a slide
heading will open a new columns and a column environment, and the end of
the slide will close all open environments.  But it doesn't tell me how
to close a column and start a new one without adding additional outline
structure.

So that paragraph should be made a bit clearer and include an example.
Maybe you can only have a columns environment with only one single
column, if you don't add an extra outline structure?  Would that make
sense?  Or maybe the wording of the headline is only misleading, and the
author had another intention than what I am reading.  Well, I don't
know...

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Carsten Dominik]

On Jul 7, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Tassilo Horn wrote:

> On Tuesday 06 July 2010 22:47:35 Eric S Fraga wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>>> * My 2 Column Frame
>>>  :PROPERTIES:
>>>  :BEAMER_env: columns
>>>  :BEAMER_col: 0.5 0.5
>>>  :END:
>>>
>>>  - left col text
>>>  - more left col text
>>>
>>>  - right col text
>>>  - more right col text
>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>>
>> I'm sorry Tassilo but I do not understand your point.  Lists are not
>> part of an outline structure so there is only one outline component  
>> in
>> this example.
>
> Yes, that's exactly the point I don't understand in the paragraph
>
>  "Columns *without* additional outline structure"
>
> in the org-tutorials/org-beamer.org file in Worg.  This headline  
> implies
> (to me) that I can have a slide with many columns but no outline
> structure, except the headline for the frame itself.
>
> It states, that adding the :BEAMER_env: columns property to a slide
> heading will open a new columns and a column environment, and the  
> end of
> the slide will close all open environments.  But it doesn't tell me  
> how
> to close a column and start a new one without adding additional  
> outline
> structure.
>
> So that paragraph should be made a bit clearer and include an example.
> Maybe you can only have a columns environment with only one single
> column, if you don't add an extra outline structure?  Would that make
> sense?  Or maybe the wording of the headline is only misleading, and  
> the
> author had another intention than what I am reading.  Well, I don't
> know...

Hi Tassilo,

the only way to understand this paragraph is historical.

In the early days of BEAMER export, Eric Fraga invented a way to make  
columns
using an additional level of outline structure, just for making the  
columns.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/19895/focus=19895

This worked, but made it difficult to export this file in
any other way, because of the extra structure.  This was overcome
with the BEAMER_col property, and this is what this paragraph
and the phrase "without additional structure" is referring to.

The "tutorial" I wrote on worg is out of date and bad, maybe we should  
remove it?
Does someone (Eric Fraga?) have time to check if there is anything  
interesting
in there that is is still true and not covered by the manual or by  
Eric's
tutorial?  If not, we should remove this outdated document.

If it adds something, maybe we can move that information?

If that is done, maybe we should remove this document.

Thanks

- Carsten

>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
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Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Tassilo Horn]

Hi Carsten,

> the only way to understand this paragraph is historical.

I guessed it, thanks for making that clear.

> In the early days of BEAMER export, Eric Fraga invented a way to make
> columns using an additional level of outline structure, just for
> making the columns.
> 
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/19895/focus=19895

Interesting.

> This worked, but made it difficult to export this file in any other
> way, because of the extra structure.  This was overcome with the
> BEAMER_col property, and this is what this paragraph and the phrase
> "without additional structure" is referring to.

Ah, ok.  So now you don't need an extra outline structure for making a
*columns* environment, but you still need it for ending the last
*column* and starting a new one.

I've though I could go without the latter, too.  That would be good for
documents you export as presentation but also as article handout.

> The "tutorial" I wrote on worg is out of date and bad, maybe we should
> remove it?  Does someone (Eric Fraga?) have time to check if there is
> anything interesting in there that is is still true and not covered by
> the manual or by Eric's tutorial?  If not, we should remove this
> outdated document.

I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's
tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the
org-beamer.org file could be deleted.

> If it adds something, maybe we can move that information?

It adds confusion, so we should move that to the texinfo docs!?! ;-)

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Carsten Dominik]

On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Tassilo Horn wrote:

> Hi Carsten,
>
>> the only way to understand this paragraph is historical.
>
> I guessed it, thanks for making that clear.
>
>> In the early days of BEAMER export, Eric Fraga invented a way to make
>> columns using an additional level of outline structure, just for
>> making the columns.
>>
>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/19895/focus=19895
>
> Interesting.
>
>> This worked, but made it difficult to export this file in any other
>> way, because of the extra structure.  This was overcome with the
>> BEAMER_col property, and this is what this paragraph and the phrase
>> "without additional structure" is referring to.
>
> Ah, ok.  So now you don't need an extra outline structure for making a
> *columns* environment, but you still need it for ending the last
> *column* and starting a new one.
>
> I've though I could go without the latter, too.  That would be good  
> for
> documents you export as presentation but also as article handout.
>
>> The "tutorial" I wrote on worg is out of date and bad, maybe we  
>> should
>> remove it?  Does someone (Eric Fraga?) have time to check if there is
>> anything interesting in there that is is still true and not covered  
>> by
>> the manual or by Eric's tutorial?  If not, we should remove this
>> outdated document.
>
> I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's
> tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the
> org-beamer.org file could be deleted.

If you want, please go ahead and make these changes.  The link in  
Erics tutorial
should then point to the manual section, not the preliminary  
documentation.

And on the tutorials pager, the link to the preliminary documentation  
can be deleted.

>
>> If it adds something, maybe we can move that information?
>
> It adds confusion, so we should move that to the texinfo docs!?! ;-)

But move what?  I don't think my worg page still adds anything.

- Carsten

Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Tassilo Horn]

On Wednesday 07 July 2010 09:56:49 Carsten Dominik wrote:

> > I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's
> > tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the
> > org-beamer.org file could be deleted.
> 
> If you want, please go ahead and make these changes.  The link in
> Erics tutorial should then point to the manual section, not the
> preliminary documentation.

I deleted the obsolete org-beamer.org and added a link to the beamer
class manual section to Eric's tutorial.  So Worg should be ok now.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:25:00 +0200, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday 07 July 2010 09:56:49 Carsten Dominik wrote:
> 
> > > I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's
> > > tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the
> > > org-beamer.org file could be deleted.
> > 
> > If you want, please go ahead and make these changes.  The link in
> > Erics tutorial should then point to the manual section, not the
> > preliminary documentation.
> 
> I deleted the obsolete org-beamer.org and added a link to the beamer
> class manual section to Eric's tutorial.  So Worg should be ok now.
> 
> Bye,
> Tassilo

Excellent.  Thanks!

And, yes, I'd forgotten about the historical nature of the first
document you looked at!  Although it was done not so long ago,
Carsten's proper implementation of beamer support within org allowed
me to very quickly *forget* about the hacks I had done...

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Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Carsten Dominik]

There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials  
directory...

- Carsten

On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:25:00 +0200, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org 
> > wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday 07 July 2010 09:56:49 Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>
>>>> I think every property is explained in the info docs, and Eric's
>>>> tutorial shows some nice and well explained examples, so the
>>>> org-beamer.org file could be deleted.
>>>
>>> If you want, please go ahead and make these changes.  The link in
>>> Erics tutorial should then point to the manual section, not the
>>> preliminary documentation.
>>
>> I deleted the obsolete org-beamer.org and added a link to the beamer
>> class manual section to Eric's tutorial.  So Worg should be ok now.
>>
>> Bye,
>> Tassilo
>
> Excellent.  Thanks!
>
> And, yes, I'd forgotten about the historical nature of the first
> document you looked at!  Although it was done not so long ago,
> Carsten's proper implementation of beamer support within org allowed
> me to very quickly *forget* about the hacks I had done...
> -- 
> Eric S Fraga
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- Carsten

Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Tassilo Horn]

On Wednesday 07 July 2010 12:43:52 Carsten Dominik wrote:
> There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials  
> directory...

Fixed, and the tutorial link now links org-beamer/tutorial.org instead
of the directory.  What's the presentation.org in that dir?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:02:57 +0200, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday 07 July 2010 12:43:52 Carsten Dominik wrote:
> > There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials  
> > directory...
> 
> Fixed, and the tutorial link now links org-beamer/tutorial.org instead
> of the directory.  What's the presentation.org in that dir?
> 
> Bye,
> Tassilo

That is the example file referred to by the tutorial and which the
reader is encouraged to download!  It provides a hopefully useful
starting point for the reader's own presentation...

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Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Tassilo Horn]

Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

Hi Eric,

>> On Wednesday 07 July 2010 12:43:52 Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> > There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials
>> > directory...
>> 
>> Fixed, and the tutorial link now links org-beamer/tutorial.org
>> instead of the directory.  What's the presentation.org in that dir?
>
> That is the example file referred to by the tutorial and which the
> reader is encouraged to download!  It provides a hopefully useful
> starting point for the reader's own presentation...

Ah, ok.  But it was correct not to link it from the index page, right?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Eric S Fraga]

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On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:58:19 +0200, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> wrote:
> 
> Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> >> On Wednesday 07 July 2010 12:43:52 Carsten Dominik wrote:
> >> > There is still a broken link, for the index page of the tutorials
> >> > directory...
> >> 
> >> Fixed, and the tutorial link now links org-beamer/tutorial.org
> >> instead of the directory.  What's the presentation.org in that dir?
> >
> > That is the example file referred to by the tutorial and which the
> > reader is encouraged to download!  It provides a hopefully useful
> > starting point for the reader's own presentation...
> 
> Ah, ok.  But it was correct not to link it from the index page, right?

Yes.  That is correct.  There should be, however, a link to it from
the actual tutorial (I'm offline at the moment so cannot check Worg)
under the headings "First steps" -> "the export template."

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Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Tassilo Horn]

On Thursday 08 July 2010 10:11:03 Eric S Fraga wrote:

> > Ah, ok.  But it was correct not to link it from the index page,
> > right?
> 
> Yes.  That is correct.  There should be, however, a link to it from
> the actual tutorial (I'm offline at the moment so cannot check Worg)
> under the headings "First steps" -> "the export template."

Yes, there's already a footnote with a link to it.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Columns with LaTeX beamer export

[Carsten Dominik]

On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Tassilo Horn wrote:

> Hi Carsten,
>
>> the only way to understand this paragraph is historical.
>
> I guessed it, thanks for making that clear.
>
>> In the early days of BEAMER export, Eric Fraga invented a way to make
>> columns using an additional level of outline structure, just for
>> making the columns.
>>
>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/19895/focus=19895
>
> Interesting.
>
>> This worked, but made it difficult to export this file in any other
>> way, because of the extra structure.  This was overcome with the
>> BEAMER_col property, and this is what this paragraph and the phrase
>> "without additional structure" is referring to.
>
> Ah, ok.  So now you don't need an extra outline structure for making a
> *columns* environment, but you still need it for ending the last
> *column* and starting a new one.
>
> I've though I could go without the latter, too.  That would be good  
> for
> documents you export as presentation but also as article handout.

I guess you could do it with something like

#+BEAMER: {}\begin{column}

....

#+BEAMER: {}\end{column}

Or, maybe you can talk org-special-blocks.el (contrib dir) into
helping you with this...

- Carsten