From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:18:46 +0100 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87vd2jqmnt.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <87bp4ex0a4.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <7e99bd12-91df-4cc2-bfc9-576df4c5283b@i18g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <87k4j2uohx.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <6d58027e-6ed1-41f6-8653-fbcd42236b68@w2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <87fwtqums7.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <86126496-de72-4e5c-9443-5cfce30f28ab@15g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293201648 1177 80.91.229.12 (24 Dec 2010 14:40:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:40:48 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 24 15:40:43 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PW8p0-0006Cg-NI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:40:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38717 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PW8p0-0001Ox-7I for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:40:42 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Trace: individual.net 1RtNAhSdmxMZ9Y4QJllt9gWyG1Q9MCca96mjZ0rHoEErLp0v8z Cancel-Lock: sha1:NzNiNjMwOGU3Njg0YzM5YTkyNDk2MGVmMDQwYzdkMTRkMWExNTRjMg== sha1:SX+Ypp5usFkrx2px3V7W1B7fGGg= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183630 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77867 Archived-At: Richard Riley writes: >> - It ships by default with org-mode/calc/games and another thousand >> things that are not normally in one text editor, who told you it was >> shipping as an editor? > > Because it IS an editor... Not exactly. It has been sold as such, I'll admit that, but there's nothing in emacs that makes the process data type less fundamental than the buffer data type in emacs. Or any other data type, used by one of the innumerous applications written in emacs lisp. The editor is just one such application, but it has nothing special. > What different programs? IDE. "Integrated" development > environment. code, compile, debug, recycle. And all designed to work in > harmony. Well, yes, code, compile, debug, recycle. When you program in lisp (or one of the newer programming languages so much inspired by lisp it's a shame), you don't do that. > This is starting to sound like me not liking emacs and that is not the > case. But uninformed opinions about modern IDEs are pretty worthless > when trying to compare Emacs to the features they provide and possibly > suggest easy reach Emacs improvements which will greatly increase its > attraction to new users. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.