From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: smtpmail and ~/.authinfo Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:22:36 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87vcsf1537.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <83ippsqsz8.fsf@gnu.org> <83hb5ay1rs.fsf@gnu.org> <87litc7qen.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87pqio69lr.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317064989 15849 80.91.229.12 (26 Sep 2011 19:23:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:23:09 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 26 21:23:04 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8Glc-0008GC-2n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:23:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56896 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8Glb-0004AH-G2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:23:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:34269) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8GlY-0004AC-Ln for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:23:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8GlV-0006zp-7I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:23:00 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:37060) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8GlV-0006zc-0s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:22:57 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R8GlT-0008C5-8i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:22:55 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.133 ([38.98.147.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:22:55 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.133 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:22:55 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.133 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4BDQPXCBwm0uwnkst5qIS6b560M= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144340 Archived-At: On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:04:42 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> I think authinfo/netrc files should be portable and support Unicode in a >> way that enables other (older or new!) software to use them too. IMHO >> enforcing UTF-8 encoding is the best way to achieve that. LMI> That's not realistic, I think. ... LMI> So there isn't any wiggle room here. The user has to be able to store a LMI> random sequence of bytes into the .authinfo file to be able to contact LMI> their servers -- if they have been careless enough to create a non-ASCII LMI> user name or password. I agree 100%. I'm saying we should save the netrc/authinfo file in the UTF-8 coding system instead of raw-text so Unicode characters in there are usable by other programs too. Forget the `auth-source-search' callers, they won't know or care. There will be no difference to their usage or the data they get. I believe random bytes can be encoded just fine by UTF-8. If they are read by a program that doesn't know UTF-8 that's a problem, but IMO we can live with it and it's entirely theoretical. Ted