From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: DVCSes, bug trackers, and GNUness Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: <87vcknv8mw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> References: <87bomfy8a8.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335387034 18989 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2012 20:50:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jordi =?utf-8?Q?Guti=C3=A9rrez?= Hermoso , Emacs development discussions To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 25 22:50:31 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SN9AR-0005fT-73 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:50:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35410 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN9AQ-0002Hl-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:50:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42056) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN9AM-0002HK-Pl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:50:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN9AK-0003po-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:50:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:41903) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SN9AK-0003pb-AB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:50:20 -0400 Original-Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so617706ghr.0 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:50:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=JH2V7PuvA4SvIJtoRkZrJ4/fQsdmyTfmDXtxPWSdPGc=; b=jquYJDAyFRrrE63x4QlqYDtKj12u+YdQ5AOLQU/TuJyN2jSnY8HDuwowBrUGPFC5ha tRb9jPYwZHvppDhA5iRhUUjtWyOqFrK/2typZhrHdyJqyM4jOAup+qqN0RpVu7C/23Vr Nz9U7L0erabK5KqZYwx1k0IWx7pFBh30yffuD4NGxJba6RkEF0TENRUGobE8iaTIrke4 c8uZVGyp+HFB1zPjEAawTmzJ+JVSPjhmNFe+k1bWb+wu0PHr/8rRI+T9av3SKQPRH+K+ rG4tDwgfwjpLBIlf9C20rYYvhjCdwA5urNckQ/Y1h6s9bcTZd1m3TwpJ1c3wHBpiTuvH OJqg== Original-Received: by 10.236.79.234 with SMTP id i70mr3810569yhe.88.1335387018621; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from floss.red-bean.com (h-68-164-6-39.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net. [68.164.6.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm628901ani.8.2012.04.25.13.50.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:50:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:28:56 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.160.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150033 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> If Bzr had required a heavy investment of development before it would be >> meet the technical needs of the Emacs project, then the decision would >> have been different. > >Bzr did need a significant investment (which lasted more than a year) >before it would (barely) meet the technical needs of the Emacs project. Sorry; I forget the actual complexity of the transition. We did not actually do the switch before Bzr was ready ("barely", perhaps), and furthermore the investment resources to get it to where we needed it were more or less known to be committed to that purpose, when we made the decision. I guess Jordi is proposing the same for Savane, though. >But in any case, this discussion has nothing to do with Emacs: >this decision was not taken by the Emacs maintainers but by Richard. The second statement is true, but I'd disagree with the first :-). On the other hand, like you said, http://blue.bikeshed.com/.