From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Issues with emacs Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:26:28 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87vcijcqqj.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340379018 8792 80.91.229.3 (22 Jun 2012 15:30:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:30:18 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 17:30:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Si5oL-0004Vn-1j for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:30:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53921 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si5oK-0007a0-Vm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:30:12 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 73 Original-X-Trace: individual.net XTN1r7mkVFCHW6lAJqEJSwkgivcEQk1goJ66pvHVTAWFTfZgiODXKSJkbvvYjSTzW7 Cancel-Lock: sha1:MGU2YTE2MzE0NmQ4OGZkYzk3YzA3MDcyNDJkMDQ3NDc1YTQ3YWUwMA== sha1:SjLLQ5in5CjdkyHE57NiRL5ZWdg= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192985 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85381 Archived-At: rusi writes: > On Jun 18, 7:32 am, S Boucher wrote: >> I've been using emacs since as far back as 18.59.  Still use it daily. >> >> However, I often wonder where Emacs is heading. > > Ive been collecting some posts on this list that seemingly are > questions about emacs but in fact point to deficiencies. Does one, > two, hundred deficiencies make for a 'dying breed?' Perhaps not and > the question of S Boucher needs to be dealt with more conceptually/ > philosophically. Unfortunately such a discussion invariably > degenerates into flaming/trolling. So heres my bottom up list Some are contradictory. Eg. reproaching lisp-2 and wanting more CL support (of course, they're not made by the same people). lisp-2 is a good thing IMO. http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Technical-Issues.html What's bad, is that the promise of having different embedded languages in emacs failed so far. IMO because of lack of lexical binding/closures (but this is resolved in emacs-24), and to a lesser degree, lack of a usable namespace system (in this case, the obarray mechanism is there to be used by language implementors). But with emacs-24, it could be possible to implement a scheme, a javascript and finish the emacs-cl implementation, java, etc, so that people could use and program emacs in their favorite programming language. > * Intro > Started [2011-01-08 Sat] Idea is to keep a record of emacs mailing > list queries that are really emacs problems > * Problems > *** No package management > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2011-01/msg00293.html > *** Low grade dependency management in elisp > http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/1070abe0f19e5476# > (change to other mailinglist) > *** CL badly integrated > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2011-01/msg00288.html > *** Horizontal scrolling > http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/686c0fa47a48a7e2# > *** elisp is a lisp-2 > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2011-01/msg00270.html > *** Poor customizability of Tabstop behavior > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2011-01/msg00043.html > *** JDE does not work > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg03183.html > *** Poor Project Management > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg02878.html > *** Half baked server > http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/f1c59047b8f4b294# > *** Spurious choices > ***** email > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg03080.html > ***** folding > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg02939.html > ***** Template > ***** Python > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg02534.html > ***** merge/diff > http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/819655b0b5a81bba# > *** Obsolete > ***** read-from-minibuffer vs read-string > http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/5925179885835e1d# -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.