From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:00:03 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87vbxzy3m4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388862031 507 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 19:00:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 19:00:31 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 20:00:37 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzWSa-0006tt-Aj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:00:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55434 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzWSZ-0004BF-VA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:00:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41272) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzWSO-0004Ay-3E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:00:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzWSG-0000DH-O7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:00:24 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:50056) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzWSG-0000D2-Gt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:00:16 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzWSE-0006KS-64 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:00:14 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f4ba0b.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.186.11]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:00:14 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f4ba0b.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:00:14 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f4ba0b.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:iq6z5/hVNCrBs9fjxOQYcW6zpGQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167308 Archived-At: Tom writes: > Lennart Borgman gmail.com> writes: >> >> It is very different in one way. An editor is a tool you start >> with. It should be convenient for everyone. Beginners may face >> a high complexity and different terms (and keyboard shortcuts) >> for rather familiar commands makes it much more difficult.The >> difference might seem small, but since it raises complexity for >> beginners it waists time for them. > > Kill/yank comes to mind as obvious example. The copy/cut/paste > terminology is pretty much standard, so the various kill/yank > operations (kill-region, copy-region-as-kill, etc.) should > be mapped to these terms. The problem I see with that is that the terms are mnemonics for the keybindings: the kill bindings contain "k", the yank bindings "y". -- David Kastrup