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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Mopre fun with vcswitness
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 21:46:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vbxpapxw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20140112203140.GA19193@thyrsus.com

"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com> writes:

> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>:
>> > VCSWITNESS: $(srcdir)/../.bzr/checkout/dirstate
>> >
>> > While this is nonempty, it's not going to work either.
>> 
>> I don't see that.
>
> I believe you.  Which just increases my distrust of this code.
>
> You and I and Eli are running in environments we think ought not to be
> significantly different (in-place builds) and yet we get at least two
> and possibly three different behaviors (Eli hasn't reported his
> exactly enough for me to be sure).

"I don't see that" does not mean that I see a particular behavior when
running the code (I did not do so), but it rather means that I don't
agree with your conclusion.

> To add to the fun, I think this is different behavior than I was
> previously seeing from putatively identical code.

Where "putatively" means what _you_ remember being identical.  I already
opined that I consider it most likely you forgot a \ in your added code,
leading to different shell instances defining and printing vcswitness.
Quite a common Makefile fallacy.  An ugly design decision in my opinion,
but then it's been around for more than 30 years I think, so it's not
really likely to change.

> There's got to be some hidden state we're all missing.

Because you cannot reproduce what you think you saw before?  That's a
mystery nobody but yourself has a chance of addressing.

-- 
David Kastrup




  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-12 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-12 20:07 Mopre fun with vcswitness Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-12 20:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-12 21:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-12 20:18 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-12 20:31   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-12 20:46     ` David Kastrup [this message]
2014-01-12 21:02       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-12 21:12   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-12 21:30     ` David Kastrup
2014-01-12 22:19     ` More " Jan Djärv
2014-01-13  2:46       ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-13  3:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-13  4:19           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-13 10:12             ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-13 11:12               ` David Kastrup
2014-01-13 11:30                 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-13 14:30               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-13 17:37                 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-13 19:03           ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-13 19:13             ` Eli Zaretskii

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