From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:32:38 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87vbs7qgi1.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87ha3s71mt.fsf@debian.uxu> <87tx7rsevi.fsf@debian.uxu> <8738fbscao.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1402522524 5132 80.91.229.3 (11 Jun 2014 21:35:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:35:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 11 23:35:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WuqAw-0003Ro-9T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:35:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49561 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WuqAv-0003l3-TD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:35:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 70 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SIvZRMPqRkkTHAHL6NkRuw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:LBI2weVO/MhgIrDmUWuAxeIJek0= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:205889 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98159 Archived-At: Teemu Likonen writes: > For instance, every book uses real quotation marks > and apostrophes. They are standard in the publishing > world. Many people use Emacs to write text that will > be published (web, printed material). Well, OK, sort of... On the other hand, that would typically be produced with LaTeX. (In latex-mode, there are some annoying `` and '' automatically when you do " - I never learned the reason for that.) But in short forms like "isn't", at least I simply write ' in the LaTeX source - I haven't noticed how they turn out - probably that can be tweaked (I'll get back to you on that, as I happen to work on such a document right now). For web material I think '/" is preferable still, because people like to yank it into mails and the like, and it would just be extra work having them change to '/" whenever that happens. Some examples from the computer world: A quote from the ls man page: -G, --no-group in a long listing, don't print group names >From the emacs ditto: -Q, --quick Similar to "-q --no-site-file --no-splash". >From RFC 3676: If the line is flowed and DelSp is "yes", the trailing space immediately prior to the line's CRLF is logically deleted. If the DelSp parameter is "no" (or not specified, or set to an unrecognized value), the trailing space is not deleted. And speaking of mails - we are using mails/posts right now - so why use it in mails and Usenet posts? On a more general/human scale: you are Finish (I take it), I am Swedish. (I'm not reeling you or anyone else to my side, just stating facts.) We have acquired English and use it because we accept that is very practical and it is simply how it works. Not to mention the Russian and Chinese who had to get fluent with a whole new alphabet and language system! Or this quote from this thread: "In Britain and Ireland we generally use "isn't", notice there's no angle on the apostrophe." Besides virtually all US computer people use '/" what I can tell! So yes, I feel it is close to arrogance that the OP cannot in one word tell me why this would benefit anyone, and even more so as I actually tried to help him in my first post! Anyway, I'm not angry or anything. Peace in the Middle East. Feel free to carry on this discussion though (of course). -- underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573