From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs as WM
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:48:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vbpoa3a8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: loom.20140819T171044-661@post.gmane.org
Tom <adatgyujto@gmail.com> writes:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>>
>> So I think users prefer Office because it has capabilities that Emacs
>> doesn't, and not because its "point and click" interface is easier
>> than that of Emacs.
>>
>
> On Windows people prefer office also because it looks and behaves as
> any other application. So they prefer familiarity too and being
> familiar is also a big part of simplicity and ease of use.
>
> Emacs looks completely alien on Windows and its behavior is also
> alien.
>
> The most obvious example is copy/paste which is Ctrl-C/V on windows
> while emacs uses something else.
>
> There was a discussion about making Ctrl-C/V the default a while
> ago, but it was rejected because it goes against emacs standards.
> It does, but most users won't relearn basic keys just to use emacs
> which has no obvious advantages for them which would be worth it.
>
> WYSIWYG alone won't gain many new users while emacs stays so
> different in other UI points.
Emacs will always remain a worse NotePad than NotePad. Most users won't
use Emacs even when it tries masking itself as NotePad.
Convincingly reinventing Emacs and its keybindings into a world of
NotePads is nothing you can solve with enough handwaving.
It's sort of like "can't we genetically engineer a womb into horseshoe
crabs in order to have them more competitive with mammals?".
--
David Kastrup
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-08-19 15:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-08 20:35 Emacs as WM Matthew Plant
2014-08-08 20:51 ` John Yates
2014-08-08 23:04 ` Feng Shu
2014-08-11 8:19 ` Samuel El-Borai
2014-08-08 22:49 ` joakim
2014-08-11 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-11 7:33 ` document sharing (was Re: Emacs as WM) Nic Ferrier
2014-08-11 14:36 ` Emacs as WM Stefan Monnier
2014-08-12 3:15 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-12 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-13 3:58 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-13 12:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-13 22:48 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-14 2:43 ` Matthew Plant
2014-08-15 1:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-15 2:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-15 17:48 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-15 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-16 2:19 ` Matthew Plant
2014-08-16 3:06 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-17 14:47 ` Ashton Kemerling
2014-08-18 1:07 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-18 2:39 ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-18 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-18 20:13 ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-18 20:54 ` Glenn Morris
2014-08-19 1:04 ` Ashton Kemerling
2014-08-19 2:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-19 4:56 ` Ashton Kemerling
2014-08-19 5:58 ` Tom
2014-08-19 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-19 15:21 ` Tom
2014-08-19 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-19 15:48 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2014-08-19 13:09 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-20 1:55 ` Alexis
2014-08-20 2:16 ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-21 2:41 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-21 2:59 ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-21 6:15 ` Matthew Plant
2014-08-22 9:48 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-08-21 20:33 ` Josh
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