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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs as WM
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:48:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vbpoa3a8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: loom.20140819T171044-661@post.gmane.org

Tom <adatgyujto@gmail.com> writes:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> 
>> So I think users prefer Office because it has capabilities that Emacs
>> doesn't, and not because its "point and click" interface is easier
>> than that of Emacs.
>> 
>
> On Windows people prefer office also because it looks and behaves as
> any other application. So they prefer familiarity too and being
> familiar is also a big part of simplicity and ease of use.
>
> Emacs looks completely alien on Windows and its behavior is also 
> alien.
>
> The most obvious example is copy/paste which is Ctrl-C/V on windows
> while emacs uses something else.
>
> There was a discussion about making Ctrl-C/V the default a while
> ago, but it was rejected because it goes against emacs standards.
> It does, but most users won't relearn basic keys just to use emacs
> which has no obvious advantages for them which would be worth it.
>
> WYSIWYG alone won't gain many new users while emacs stays so
> different in other UI points.

Emacs will always remain a worse NotePad than NotePad.  Most users won't
use Emacs even when it tries masking itself as NotePad.

Convincingly reinventing Emacs and its keybindings into a world of
NotePads is nothing you can solve with enough handwaving.

It's sort of like "can't we genetically engineer a womb into horseshoe
crabs in order to have them more competitive with mammals?".

-- 
David Kastrup




  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-08-19 15:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-08 20:35 Emacs as WM Matthew Plant
2014-08-08 20:51 ` John Yates
2014-08-08 23:04   ` Feng Shu
2014-08-11  8:19     ` Samuel El-Borai
2014-08-08 22:49 ` joakim
2014-08-11  1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-11  7:33   ` document sharing (was Re: Emacs as WM) Nic Ferrier
2014-08-11 14:36   ` Emacs as WM Stefan Monnier
2014-08-12  3:15     ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-12 13:59       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-13  3:58         ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-13 12:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-13 22:48             ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-14  2:43               ` Matthew Plant
2014-08-15  1:03                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-15  2:59                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-15 17:48                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-15 19:08                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-16  2:19                         ` Matthew Plant
2014-08-16  3:06                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-17 14:47                           ` Ashton Kemerling
2014-08-18  1:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-18  2:39                               ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-18 14:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-18 20:13                                   ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-18 20:54                                     ` Glenn Morris
2014-08-19  1:04                                       ` Ashton Kemerling
2014-08-19  2:45                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-19  4:56                                           ` Ashton Kemerling
2014-08-19  5:58                                           ` Tom
2014-08-19 14:56                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-19 15:21                                               ` Tom
2014-08-19 15:39                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-19 15:48                                                 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2014-08-19 13:09                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-20  1:55                                   ` Alexis
2014-08-20  2:16                                   ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-21  2:41                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-21  2:59                                       ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-21  6:15                                         ` Matthew Plant
2014-08-22  9:48                                           ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-08-21 20:33                                         ` Josh

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