From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nic Ferrier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package and testing rant (was Re: package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:15:08 +0000 Message-ID: <87vbmlirqb.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> References: <87a943umku.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ppcvm7fj.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87vbmndk46.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wq72ls2h.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87k332lnn3.fsf_-_@ferrier.me.uk> <87389qklr7.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415726136 7601 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2014 17:15:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 11 18:15:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XoF2P-0000NL-AB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:15:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49955 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XoF2O-0008Nt-QE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:15:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38867) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XoF2F-0008Gv-OL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:15:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XoF26-0003DT-AN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:15:19 -0500 Original-Received: from static.17.66.46.78.clients.your-server.de ([78.46.66.17]:55594 helo=po1.ferrier.me.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XoF26-0003DN-5M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:15:10 -0500 Original-Received: from nicferrier-dell-xps (140.35.155.90.in-addr.arpa [90.155.35.140]) by po1.ferrier.me.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 00F5CAC0AD0; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:33:32 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from nicferrier-XPS13-9333 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nicferrier-dell-xps (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C2886BA00; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:15:08 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:24:27 -0500") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 78.46.66.17 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176763 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> It should go: >> build -> release -> install >> elpa.git and MELPA are promoting: >> release -> (build) -> install >> I don't think it's bad that MELPA promotes that. That's their >> business. But I do think it matters that elpa.git works that way. > > Can you detail which part of GNU ELPA's "(build)" you don't like and why? the part where it happens without the user doing it. I am saying I think the only way to encourage a testing culture is to have an artifact store against which continuous integration can be done. Nic