From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:38:27 +0900 Message-ID: <87vblpjq24.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83iohr48kr.fsf@gnu.org> <83388u4bps.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4qm2uz9.fsf@gnu.org> <83vblq2los.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417844340 8600 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 05:39:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 05:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk, =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 06:38:53 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx84y-0002QU-95 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 06:38:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53437 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx84x-0005jn-So for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:38:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45043) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx84q-0005io-0g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:38:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx84l-0008KC-4E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:38:43 -0500 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:42757) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx84c-0008Ey-2C; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:38:30 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 477661C3909; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:38:27 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 23EE51A2CFC; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:38:27 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <83vblq2los.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179093 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > From: joaotavora@gmail.com (Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora) > > Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.o= rg > > Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:20:47 +0000 > >=20 > > An idea would be to prefix the subject line in the on-list dialog with > > "[mentoring]" so people know that a newcomer is being tutored and so c= an > > avoid contributing tangential matters or topics too advanced that will > > confuse the effort. >=20 > We can certainly try that, and see if it helps. You could try it, but in my experience with communities that have evident mentoring efforts suggests that "tangential matters or topics too advanced" are not that big a problem. Newcomers generally detect and ignore 2/3 or more of those posts. If newcomers get confused by those, they should go off-list. If mentors detect that a newcomer is getting confused, *they* should go off-list. The bigger problem is the level of list traffic itself, which is intimidating to newcomers, who often don't even want to subscribe. If there are people who have demonstrated interest in mentoring, a separate list is a good idea. Which reminds me: better than an ANNOUNCE tag in the subject line is a separate -announce list which feeds into the main -devel list among others. If announcements of freezes etc double the number of announcements (vs releases and major security events), I doubt anybody will complain.