From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:31:37 +0100 Message-ID: <87vble84mu.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> <20141214082243.77ea5690@Yoda> <87zjaq8f2k.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418581942 31829 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 18:32:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:32:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 19:32:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Dxm-0000sM-Uv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:32:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36820 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Dxm-0005Y8-IE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:32:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46745) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0DxW-0005Xi-Gy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:32:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0DxQ-0006c0-UB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:31:58 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59202) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0DxQ-0006bu-NE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:31:52 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0DxP-00006b-EU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:31:51 +0100 Original-Received: from 129.red-88-10-128.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([88.10.128.129]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:31:51 +0100 Original-Received: from ofv by 129.red-88-10-128.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:31:51 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 52 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.red-88-10-128.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nI3rDKGSFGOHswL7COS8vQv3Ax4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101581 Archived-At: Paul Rankin writes: > Óscar Fuentes at 00:46 on 15 Dec 2014: > >> Paul Rankin writes: >> >>> History has been full of groups who use their majority to arbitrarily >>> strip the rights away from a minority. They had ways of rationalising it >>> away too. Just be sure of who you're aligning yourself with. >> >> I suspect you have the typical capitalistic, myopic financial interest >> on this topic. Otherwise is hard to understand why you say this things. > > I say these things because I believe that art is the closest we have to > the sacred. It is the only thing that we have to enshrine what we > collectively refer to as "humanity." You have a very poor opinion of Humanity, if the closest we have to the sacred if Justin Bieber, Mickey Mouse and C.S.I. (Only half joking: if some kind of social covenant existed for not "pirating" that type of products at all, the industry would instantly forget about those who you do consider true artists.) The existence of Art does not depend on schemas for maximizing profit. Those who consider themselves artists are not entitled to thwart civil rights for protecting their business models. Not to mention that those that reap the lion's share on this bussiness are not artists at all. They are artisans, on the best case, often "content producers", sometimes just businessmen. Art (whatever it means) existed for all human history. Only recently was possible for "artists" to become instant millionaries because of the capability of mass-producing the physical or virtual media that carry representations of their creations. The technical landscape that made that bussiness model possible is obsolete now, but they insist on negating reality, regardless of the social consequences, just like any other evil lobby. And that's the most benevolent view of the matter. The vast majority of artists have nothing to obtain from all this mess because they work as their pre-20th century counterparts. They are the true artists, that create because is what they soul demands, not because of becoming rich and famous. We can know about their existence thanks to the same technology that the industry wants to control and restrict. Oh, the industry. Do you defend them too? Do you think that Art is benefited by the entertainment industry? > Politically I'm of a socialist leaning. That would explain why you think that an enlightened elite has the right to impose its personal views on the People. For their own good, of course.