From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:07:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87vbj9r66o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87mw4rxkzv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87y4oavxcy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d25juy8m.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iofa8lu2.fsf@gnu.org> <87twytg0m8.fsf@engster.org> <83wq3p7ki2.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423591679 31212 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2015 18:07:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, David Engster , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 10 19:07:58 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLFE4-0006Tu-79 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:07:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41074 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLFE3-00024r-E5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:07:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60622) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLFDz-00024Z-Tp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:07:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLFDy-0004tW-Vu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:07:51 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33652) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLFDy-0004tS-Sh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:07:50 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40822 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLFDr-0004sj-TD; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:07:44 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 82583E0514; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:07:43 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83wq3p7ki2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:18:45 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:182826 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Engster >> Cc: Stefan Monnier , >> eller.helmut@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:03:27 +0100 >> >> >I faced a similar disheartening intention (for quite different, but >> >still political) reasons when I worked on bidi support. I decided to >> >disregard and proceed, and the result is before your eyes. >> >> The crucial difference is that I could not have done this on my own, but >> that I would have needed lots of help from the GCC project, most >> importantly the willingness to actively support tooling based on GCC, >> which in the end means opening up the compiler further. > > I think you greatly exaggerate your need I see the claim of exaggeration wielded a lot here against those actually doing the work and/or actually shouldering the consequences of decisions. This kind of condescension may even work for making them go away. -- David Kastrup