From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 01:06:01 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87vbhj8kva.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> <87lhil2io1.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427670323 28751 80.91.229.3 (29 Mar 2015 23:05:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:05:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 30 01:05:23 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YcMGc-0001T2-4O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 01:05:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58584 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YcMGb-0001qj-2o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:05:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 57 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:ouXJ7rPOpUHhqn3lRMaIgtg4LtU= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211147 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103428 Archived-At: Dan Espen writes: > My mind is made up, but interesting info like how to > type Greek are one reason why I commented at all. If discussion was only between people whose minds weren't made up, there would be a lot less of it. And people who have their minds made up and discuss what their minds are made up about are not less likely to change their minds in the future compared to anyone else. > I think keyboards and keys are an important issue Indeed, pick up a random book om computers or programming. Chances are they will mention the while loop and the for loop but it doesn't say how you should position your body for the most mental-physical power, or even what keys should be hit by what fingers, or for that matter anything on the bio-mechanics of shortcuts and finger habits. It is *very* strange! Because a kid can understand the while loop, and many kids do, a kid don't know crap about self-programming or ergonomics - I didn't know that people could have consistent pain, suffer from self-doubt, etc., until I was... actually I don't know when I realized such things. > and the current state of the art falls far short. > Some important keys are completely missing. I have > no idea why HELP, UNDO, COPY, PASTE, REDO, MINIMIZE, > SCREEN LOCK, etc. are completely MIA. Other keys > just gather dust. (SysRq, Scroll Lock, Pause/Break, > KP_/, KP_* What are these designers thinking. Good question! But you know how to rewire those to your liking, so it isn't that bad, is it? > That's why I asked how many additional characters > are proposed for lets say Python. More than a few > would be a problem. I put the not sign (¬) on > shifted backspace and still look in my xmodmap file > to remember where it is. ... I'd rather not need the > additional characters. If you include but a few, you might as well include zero and don't have to deal with any translation/interface overhead getting those few to work and be portable/communicatable as well. The Unicode not sing does not turn a bad programmer into a good one nor a bad program into anything less bad. Don't do it. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573