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From: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:06:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vbendwq5.fsf@debian.uxu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrnmo1deu.j5e.Jim.Diamond@jdiamond-nb2.acadiau.ca

Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca>
writes:

> Really? Are there well-agreed-upon studies showing
> those things? Or are they your opinion?
>
> It strikes me that lexical scoping is easier to
> implement for compiled languages (that is an "off
> the cuff" comment from someone (me) with basic
> knowledge of compiler construction). But if lexical
> scoping is "more natural", is that because more
> people were "brought up" with lexically-scoped
> languages than dynamically-scoped languages?

This discussion is much easier to have if that
confusing terminology is dropped for a second and we
instead study the simple example of a `let' form:

    (let ((scratch-buffer "*scratch*"))
      (when (bufferp scratch-buffer)
        (kill-buffer scratch-buffer) ))

Here we have one piece of data which is used twice, so
that data is named and when it is used it is
indirectly refered to.

In this example, what is natural to me? Answer:
I don't expect `let' to affect any other code than the
code in the `let' itself! And this is "lexical
scoping".

Is it really so, that you expect it to be in another
way? If so - OK. I don't think most people feel like
that and I certainly don't, because I don't program
that way and the impression is made even stronger with
the LISP syntax of enclosed lists.

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573


  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-17  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-29  8:28 Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-30  8:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-14 10:52   ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]   ` <mailman.4976.1434279182.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-14 11:31     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-16 23:48       ` Jim Diamond
2015-06-17  0:06         ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2015-06-17  6:23           ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]           ` <mailman.5136.1434522217.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-17 10:49             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 10:53               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 14:42                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 16:19                   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-06-17 19:30                     ` Tassilo Horn
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.5171.1434557990.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-17 17:12                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 20:22                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 22:13                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 23:46                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-18 14:57                     ` Udyant Wig
2015-06-18 15:47                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-19 13:49                         ` Udyant Wig
2015-06-19 17:41                           ` acronymania (was: Re: Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp) Emanuel Berg
2015-06-19 17:53                             ` Rusi
2015-06-17 20:33             ` Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 22:07               ` Robert Thorpe
2015-06-17 22:17                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17  0:43         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 16:02         ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]         ` <mailman.5167.1434556959.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-23 23:49           ` Jim Diamond
     [not found] ` <mailman.3950.1432974543.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-30 12:59   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-14 10:55     ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]     ` <mailman.4977.1434279342.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-14 20:04       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-14 21:44         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-14 21:49           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found] <mailman.3883.1432888152.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-29  9:30 ` Joost Kremers
2015-05-29 11:12   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-05-29 12:13     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-29 16:21     ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-29 16:50       ` Yuri Khan
2015-05-29 12:28 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-29 17:16   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-05-29 18:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-30  5:49 ` Rusi
2015-05-30 12:50   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-30 15:23     ` Rusi
2015-05-30 15:50       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-30 16:21         ` Rusi
2015-05-30 16:03   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-30 16:32     ` Rusi
2015-05-30 16:54       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-30 17:10         ` Rusi
2015-05-30 19:12           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon

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