From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improving the presentation of Emacs user documentation Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 17:44:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87vb5zqhh7.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87lh6v1h2c.fsf@petton.fr> <9ff11760-cbde-41f4-ae88-55a643e629e1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454949950 16610 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2016 16:45:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 16:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nicolas Petton , John Wiegley , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 08 17:45:43 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aSowY-0008W0-H8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 17:45:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46527 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSowY-0001EJ-14 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 11:45:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37393) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSovt-0000e5-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 11:45:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSovo-0001uf-Jv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 11:45:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:34234) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSovo-0001ub-CJ; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 11:44:56 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9369D2004; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:44:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yM6UbBZps7oq; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:44:53 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [109.232.24.28]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4EE629D2001; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 17:44:53 +0100 (CET) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.13; emacs 25.1.50.1 In-reply-to: <9ff11760-cbde-41f4-ae88-55a643e629e1@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199531 Archived-At: On 2016-02-08, at 17:22, Drew Adams wrote: >> > Couldn't we just style the HTML pages? >> > (If so, you just got a volunteer to do it) >> >> Awesome. Feel free to dig into texi2html, plus better CSS. Double bonus if >> it looks great in eww and on mobile. > > On this topic, and not contradicting what others have said AFAIK, this is > my thought: > > It would be good to start with _accessibility_ and only later go on to > visual styling, making sure that it doesn't mess up accessibility. > > Starting with making things look cool, if paying no attention to at least > minimal accessibility concerns, is not particularly stylish or cool. ;-) > > (Just one opinion.) I'm not an expert on CSS, but AFAIK, accessibility is orthogonal to presentation if done correctly through CSS. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University