From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:54:40 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87vb5wvzfz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87io1xwq1e.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455152467 29527 80.91.229.3 (11 Feb 2016 01:01:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 01:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel To: Artur Malabarba Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 11 02:00:58 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aTfcw-0000yt-3i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:00:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44878 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTfcv-00043t-Bo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:00:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40777) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTfcr-00043S-F9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:00:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTfcm-000895-AR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:00:53 -0500 Original-Received: from sub3.mail.dreamhost.com ([69.163.253.7]:59996 helo=homiemail-a75.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTfcm-00087M-3W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:00:48 -0500 Original-Received: from homiemail-a75.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a75.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956995EC079; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:00:45 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost.linkov.net (82.131.20.108.cable.starman.ee [82.131.20.108]) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by homiemail-a75.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 896CD5EC072; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:00:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Artur Malabarba's message of "Wed, 10 Feb 2016 02:18:03 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 69.163.253.7 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199732 Archived-At: > I have no idea, which is why this feature will be off by default until I > feel confident it won't get in anyone's way. How regrettable would be to disable such a useful feature. I'm using char-folding every day a dozen times on multiple languages/scripts in Chromium, and it's a major inconvenience not to be able to use the same in Emacs. Let's not hide/postpone this feature due to an inability to reach a consensus on the default values - we could use the same defaults as in Chromium. These are sane defaults based on Unicode standards and used by millions users. I haven't noticed any annoying matching by the default rules despite not being able to change hard-coded rules or disable char-folding. Unlike Chromium, Emacs is more extensible and customizable, thus we urgently need to provide customization, so everyone could easily add/remove char-folding rules to/from the default set.