From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan =?utf-8?Q?Reich=C3=B6r?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Future role of ELPA (was: [ELPA] tramp-theme.el) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:05:54 +0100 Message-ID: <87vb5paxlp.fsf_-_@xsteve.at> References: <87a8n20y7x.fsf@gmx.de> <87k2m60y08.fsf@mbork.pl> <871t8d26zp.fsf@gmx.de> <8760xpce7i.fsf@xsteve.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455610122 1367 80.91.229.3 (16 Feb 2016 08:08:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 08:08:42 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 16 09:08:34 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aVagS-0003Pg-69 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:08:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42815 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVagR-0000Ie-Ft for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:08:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50761) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVaeP-0006Rf-0H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:06:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVaeJ-00051g-W0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:06:24 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVaeJ-00050j-Oo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:06:19 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aVaeB-0001KU-GN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:06:11 +0100 Original-Received: from 88-117-60-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at ([88.117.60.30]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:06:11 +0100 Original-Received: from stefan by 88-117-60-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:06:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 47 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 88-117-60-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IIKlvLWBJGC4XGfmBh2VNstWdk8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200015 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> Stefan Reichör writes: > >> As a user I really don't like that a lot of functionality is now moved to >> ELPA. When I install a new emacs, I have to re-install also all needed >> packages from ELPA. >> >> It would be so much easier when all the batteries in emacs are still >> included. > > The future plan is to move even more things into ELPA. However, parts of ELPA > will be included in future Emacs tarballs, so your batteries will actually be > there in that future. > > So, rather than asking whether things can move back into Emacs, the better > question is: how should we proceed with our plan to deeply integrate ELPA, so > questions like this are resolved in passing. We've had some progress in this > direction, but there are still a few matters of process to resolve. I am reading the emacs devel list. And I know that this is the direction that is desired by most/all developers. As I user I am not happy with that direction. Let me try to explain it. I use Emacs since about 20 years. I use it daily and it is my primary interface to computer related tasks. For sure I can adopt to what ever direction emacs goes. I use a hand crafted .emacs and I am used to install emacs packes manually to a site-lisp folders. Consider a simple customization like tramp-theme. When everything is in stock emacs: I just can change the value of a customization variable and see what happens. With GNU ELPA I have to install the package first and get rid of it if I don't like it. My main concern with GNU ELPA is that I have to install a lot of extra packages manually using the package manager. When they are built-in they are just there. So I hope that many useful features will still be shipped with Emacs as integrated packages. Stefan.