From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31715: cl-incf and cl-decf error out when passed a nil-valued variable as 'offset' Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 02:40:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87vaay3w2g.fsf@web.de> References: <1dff07f6-8da4-4e4c-a700-0bc39d6f2aa6@live.com> <874lii88hy.fsf@gmail.com> <87o9gqw21y.fsf@web.de> <871sdm851q.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528159148 6204 195.159.176.226 (5 Jun 2018 00:39:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 00:39:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit-Claudel , 31715@debbugs.gnu.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 05 02:39:04 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fQ004-0001Qo-QC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 05 Jun 2018 02:40:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871sdm851q.fsf@gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Mon, 04 Jun 2018 20:12:33 -0400") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:WtdlUfL7KRkLD8JcdjtR9RlR4g480ATY0zuX4fQBIKHHSffqtPI HWjQhIRp9ID7CtgTJ2afQaqVuouN7zCekJ1nMPHHhG38KsiR4tN9eAqjpy25dUesTB2JDUG XXUfPvIzQYoSx6qImF2uOXskcSte71NL9PCTgQF+AhVNxaWoFDar/FUlJshhY6soDjja3DV Fd33KFWbZa/IKPlnQO0JA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:BqVFbCwxORc=:aKAZ3otZgOFAApdslv3xpx nX00k/jwewAkRWVn6VPSHdZRKwhmAdNocd3DcolAlhM6uek7jVXX9ANwgc3kmYRh3acDSXJhU 6earA+pHhhB37Jjl5lFqvxmMb15v0piEAz/X3BOjnu0PV0QjWmeXkJ/HAmfJnqNKnrXoOKZkR 1Ym776bxnxapU2Nz4/dJxH11NkJoUESlfZzVP8I5j+oxrH+vqOB3vEX9UvX886KuwzcDB0ec5 ijqrhOtulbsGQZ1rBOtn6tJ3+3xkyVKzor6xzp18WRuNf+T8pcM7KzEIwKcXBaF162pty4BoB CN4cOfKMIOrS+TfRMab1YJDbXekFkaEiozQhQeKx1hBGAhg1vRREDZQKewKaZOkkRxOVpzPe1 BLHt4cHru1WEKOe1dEp9nGrQDDGNj2TeSdlsFIr6DxO0EOrMBQeK1NH1cGgPRc8+bt98Ch42Z 0rUX95SNaESqCJnYV+KJkncGOizu0065N5lSaT0HUIssxdbSVoIBKU+ubfElf6BA2sM4+eyuM u3ePhFjSmVLZUj/NdRSO44XKtcLkdGd3Lshz7Ohqn/QgGY97a8CrsmbCQr1K+5FNJR9oeunuw rWsb/4wCpCED+eas47x9qhiWtI4a+LaCKBexLa5lYjcxq0PgSsXRwO/RDXUS4qezILWFcRt6I DcmLl2exPIMWUE8OKzvfONr1+IuAFmUMXh2JigFw5Frb2RBSEFs0WnPEN5OG1k3nmxYpquW60 PZ7i6CW5IaM+ixToU3yrycsdz7PRbPHnybi9SJMWuDkNEBONxt3yPCtNZguLoNebQunx5yiJ X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:146982 Archived-At: Noam Postavsky writes: > Do DOCSTRING and DECL count? > > (defun NAME ARGLIST &optional DOCSTRING DECL &rest BODY) > > Since they're obviously not evaluated, it doesn't quite feel the same. Yes, not really. It's not that super clear. If we keep the current definition (though I would rather like to see this fixed if possible), maybe consider to add something like "If X is specified, it should be an expression that should evaluate to a number". Michael.