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Contovounesios" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#34983: 27.0.50; Gnus cannot start Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:07:46 +0000 Message-ID: <87va07f6fx.fsf@tcd.ie> References: <87k1gn53i6.fsf@bzg.fr> <87woknkfdc.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87ftrbpije.fsf@bzg.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="40472"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 34983@debbugs.gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 25 14:08:14 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h8PKo-000APN-32 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:08:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42322 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h8PKm-0007Y7-M6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:08:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54744) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h8PKd-0007Y0-TO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:08:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h8PKd-0007Jc-0v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:08:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h8PKc-0007JT-R8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1h8PKc-0006cR-Ba for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:08:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Basil L. 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It is like an index; see (info "(gnus) The Active File"). > Where is it on my computer? I believe it lives on the remote server, and is perhaps/probably cached during operation and depending on your configuration. > What is the .newsrc.eld file? A Gnus startup file; see (info "(gnus) Startup Files"). > What is the difference between .newsrc.eld and the active file? The former locally records personal state, whereas the latter remotely records server state. Disclaimer: this is just my shallow understanding as a user, not an expert. -- Basil