From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19812: 24.4; suggest `shell-mode' not interactive Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:59:05 -0700 Message-ID: <87v9uod7dy.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> References: <87bnl5qc50.fsf@blah.blah> <87v9vfmjke.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <83tvayemrf.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="133531"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: user42_kevin@yahoo.com.au, 19812@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 23 03:00:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i0xw5-000Yb9-BS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 03:00:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50734 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i0xw4-0002NY-9B for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 21:00:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46257) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i0xvv-0002NN-Jn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 21:00:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i0xvu-000668-Fq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 21:00:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:58041) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i0xvu-00065y-Cm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 21:00:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0xvu-0007BN-6a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 21:00:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 01:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19812 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 19812-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19812.156652195227459 (code B ref 19812); Fri, 23 Aug 2019 01:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19812) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2019 00:59:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38626 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0xv5-00078p-Ll for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 20:59:11 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:36518) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0xv4-00078d-EB for 19812@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2019 20:59:10 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i0xv0-00025o-54; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:59:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83tvayemrf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 03 Aug 2019 10:22:44 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:165617 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> As you point out, there's a lot of modes that only make sense in certain >> limited contexts, and having them be interactive isn't very helpful. >> I'm not sure it's that much of a problem in general, but it is a >> particular an issue with `shell-mode', since I'd guess that a lot of >> people type that instead of `M-x shell-script-mode' when starting to >> write new shell scripts. >> >> The following fixes this particular issue. Would something like this be >> welcome? > > Are there no valid use cases where invoking shell-mode interactively > makes sense? If there are such use cases, we cannot disallow them > now. If I read the comments correctly, nobody had a use case for using `M-x shell-mode'. It was proposed that it could possibly be useful for working in log files and the like, but that shell-mode doesn't currently actually support that, so I went ahead and applied the patch to disable the interactive use of the mode. If this leads to problems for anybody, feel free to revert the commit. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no