From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.w3m Subject: Re: Browser Fingerprinting Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 03:51:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87v9lyyj4y.fsf@ebih.ebihd> References: <87lfmx8frv.fsf@ebih.ebihd> <873694mu9f.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="81353"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-w3m@namazu.org To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:9zR3OezKgI6FMSD5zrkPRrudVe8= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 17 03:52:07 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jPGAo-000L4F-Kn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 03:52:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41180 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPGAn-0002GN-MY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:52:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35589) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPGAV-0002GC-An for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:51:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jPGAU-00014R-3l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:51:47 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([159.69.161.202]:52448) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jPGAT-00013z-UN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:51:46 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jPGAR-000Kit-SS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 03:51:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Followup-To: gmane.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: never X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 159.69.161.202 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:122850 gmane.emacs.w3m:10485 Archived-At: Tomas Nordin wrote: >> Here is an interesting article on so called "Browser >> Fingerprinting" [1]. This can be of some concern to >> people using uncommon browsers like Emacs-w3m. > > I did this test at https://panopticlick.eff.org in > 2017 [...] That doesn't work for me, just says loading... Refresh (3 sec) [...] >> Of course, the IP is still there, because otherwise >> the server won't know where to send the requested >> HTML. I think it is much more likely that tracking >> will be done using that, than the >> browser fingerprint! > > Maybe. EFF explained to me at the time that browser > fingerprinting is more effective since IP can change > over time and can be fiddled with with VPN and so on. > (Of course browser can change as well but anyway) Without an IP that points from the server record to your conapt, just knowing that someone with a certain browser has requested a service from the server - I don't think that will be enough to associate the user with the action - not legally, and not even practically, let's say you deal with organized crime or live in a dictatorship - or am I wrong? Because how will they find you? > Browser fingerprinting for tracking users ought to be > illegal. It's just wrong, no matter you have something > to hide or not. Edward Snowden said something I agree > with -- saying that you don't care about privacy > because you don't have anything to hide is like saying > you don't care about freedom of speech because you > have nothing to say. Well, OK :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal