From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Context menus and mouse-3 [was: Changes for emacs 28] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:41:11 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87v9gdykso.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87k0wwsrj4.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <87h7ryet7n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32288"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, Richard Stallman , Ergus , emacs-devel@gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp , Arthur Miller , Dmitry Gutov , Gregory Heytings To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 22:02:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIddE-0008IK-A7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:02:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47142 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIddD-0003l5-AJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:02:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52244) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIdbH-0002IR-1M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:00:19 -0400 Original-Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:35685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIdbD-0004Pz-GD; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:00:18 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.108.13 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-108-13.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.108.13]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 636EE2000C; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 20:00:10 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:33:51 +0000 (UTC)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.200; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay7-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/16 16:00:09 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255924 Archived-At: >> In other apps, the same is achieved by double-click >> (`mouse-1') on a word, then double-click the same >> (`mouse-1') on another word while holding down the Shift key. > > And that's better why? Having to use both the > keyboard and the mouse? So what? There are many mouse commands in Emacs that require pressing a modifier key. >> But what if you need first to select a line, then extend >> the selection to a word? In other apps, triple-click a line, >> then double-click `mouse-1' on a word while holding down the Shift key. >> In Emacs, this is impossible. > > Granted. But again, both keyboard and mouse. > > We could provide a keyboard + mouse combination > for such use cases if that were a common need. Isn't this already a common need? For example, when a user selects a word by double-clicking it, and then needs to extend the selection to the middle of another word. Currently impossible in Emacs with mouse-3. >> Also in other apps Shift+F10 opens the context menu, >> but why not in Emacs? > > That's orthogonal. Nothing prevents also having > a keyboard key sequence to open a context menu. > (Presumably the "location" it refers to would > be point.) This is still related: since there is no context menu on mouse-3, there is a need for a keyboard equivalent compatible with other apps.