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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266855 Archived-At: Mike Kupfer writes: >> This is actually a side effect of org now honouring >> electric-indent-mode.=20 > > Ah, I see now. I didn't even realize electric-indent-mode was > enabled--it doesn't appear in the minor mode list in the modeline, nor > does it appear in the minor mode mode-line menu. :-( FWIW, Bastien supports changing the default value of org-adapt-indentation to 'headline-data[1], which roughly means "do not indent regular text; only indent :DRAWERS:". AFAICT the change has not been made yet because 'headline-data still has a few issues to iron out. This additional change would probably have helped prevent the uproar we saw on the org-mode mailing list (=E2=80=A6 and the uproar yet to come once= 27.2 is released). (Also FWIW, the .dir-locals.el file at the top of org-mode's repository sets org-adapt-indentation to nil; that might say something about the opinion of Org developers as to the "canonical" indentation of Org documents) [1] https://orgmode.org/list/874kkgie3e.fsf@gnu.org/