From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Alternatives for reliable build environments for emacs? Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:22:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87v91hb2dc.fsf@tanaka.verona.se> References: <87bl39cnr4.fsf@tanaka.verona.se> <83zgqts28b.fsf@gnu.org> <871r45ciyp.fsf@tanaka.verona.se> <87h7d1w6m6.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37643"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 28 17:24:51 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mg7Gs-0009aZ-5v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:24:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38148 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mg7Gq-0008Pj-Fz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 11:24:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42780) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mg7Es-0005Ci-SM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 11:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.outgoing.loopia.se ([93.188.3.37]:46966) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mg7Eq-0006wK-8g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 11:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: from s807.loopia.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922C42EB5076 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:22:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from s899.loopia.se (unknown [172.22.191.5]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8334A2E3A552; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:22:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from s475.loopia.se (unknown [172.22.191.6]) by s899.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806692C8BA95; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:22:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amavis.loopia.se Original-Received: from s630.loopia.se ([172.22.191.5]) by s475.loopia.se (s475.loopia.se [172.22.190.15]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id iQlwcAw45wqU; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:22:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Loopia-Auth: user X-Loopia-User: joakim.verona@chimeslab.se X-Loopia-Originating-IP: 193.234.148.196 Original-Received: from tanaka.verona.se (unknown [193.234.148.196]) (Authenticated sender: joakim.verona@chimeslab.se) by s630.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2F4613ABFC8; Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:22:39 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87h7d1w6m6.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:45:21 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=93.188.3.37; envelope-from=joakim@verona.se; helo=smtp.outgoing.loopia.se X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278119 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>> On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:38:54 +0200, joakim@verona.se said: > > joakim> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: joakim@verona.se > >>> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 14:55:27 +0200 > >>>=20 > >>> I'm finding it increasingly difficult to build emacs in my distro, > >>> Fedora(Ok, I havent managed to build emacs using distro dependenc= ies for > >>> a long time) > >>=20 > >> Why? what are the difficulties? > > joakim> In my case one of the problems that started the downward spir= al was the versions shipped of gnutls in > joakim> fedora which didnt work with emacs. > > That=CA=BCs the first I=CA=BCve heard of it. GnuTLS too old, too new, som= ething else? Too new in Fedora(at the time before I threw in the towel at least). > > joakim> The separate aproach of building all the dependencies emacs n= eed in a > joakim> separate build environment does work, like the Guix aproach. > > joakim> I could probably convince guix to do what I want, but guix is= also > joakim> fiddly. I was just wondering if somebody else had a solution = for a > joakim> reproducible development environment for emacs. > > joakim> Maybe I'm the only one facing these difficulties, that's fine= I guess. > > Debian has always worked ok for me. Although I don=CA=BCt target > reproducible builds. Well, I could likely build emacs just fine in a docker container using debian as the base, and run the container in my host fedora os. I know some people do this. This approach is also brittle with how to manage the src tree for development. > > Robert --=20 Joakim Verona joakim@verona.se