From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tweaking the output of `C-h b' Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 15:20:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87v91crm94.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87lf29xdkf.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7cxx9bh.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgqpvtky.fsf@gnus.org> <87v91dvt6y.fsf@gnus.org> <87o874vhp2.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0hsvgvv.fsf@gnus.org> <874k8wvcie.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30920"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 01 15:22:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYCH-0007jM-F3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 15:22:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50080 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYCG-00082p-A3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:22:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYAj-0006bK-Lr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:20:26 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:40388) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYAX-000673-B0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 10:20:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZVivZ/16pBBMlGO6KrJoES/EKv8v3jrKc66CIVFsrfw=; b=tf4kORz25DMEC5Jj/HfI+OrOqB A4oqKGFNV8xsr8LjLBivmup7yDHd3Kq3S7S15eA+Hb63Mq7u/cb2PgZvlwGkMZjt3zK/brbkr7DZP Z9BpXoGDM5iFOUpIVKLjIG2xaJdV2GPajz4hIf+iBb6mRGrwe1obK6wKFLWMad6vGgME=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhYAS-0005oi-9p; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 15:20:10 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEUnExYaDg8+GyAt Hx9IGR5PHCFNICT///8pxHLJAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+ULAQ4BOpC4sxwAAAEwSURB VDjLfZP9ccMgDMUlvMBT2gEIXoA7L+D4ukB7yf/df4qCjEFgN7ocR95PehZfRAQmxyLpJ8eYghTk SBIYYgEF74ICxVll5NzgvJZQGVXUOXanXB7IRkiRSZ47ozsFu5ejuerZSD8imhQbsC1GY2XabAkq o0yO2Bch5zCJ6JxE+7kErcKIXLxG/82nAsQGShGeq3gPD9tlHm6vFXMCUoEvFeEuYU4nNoLbdsfr x1qVyefzG1/bx+8J3LYHttWCuh0sFOFru23p6BZo9gQ87naLKb7ddpwA/Welt2zcxHKwBgyndGEF 6r5BOC56kan9Y6NTexBUjXh/NCzn0Dcml4BxCXQt53Vc36t8APmGLiPg0vAAUN9sD+o7pqUHTe4B jN4Beg+mpQfqE6dlz1+WP8IYQVAEOcu+AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTExLTAxVDE0 OjAxOjU4KzAwOjAwziKIYAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0xMS0wMVQxNDowMTo1OCsw MDowML9/MNwAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Electrelane's _Axes_: "If Not Now, When?" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 31 Oct 2021 21:55:56 -0700") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278388 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > - Why not show the first line of the docstring of the command in a new > third column? Hm... the display is already pretty busy... > - The ":" after each section is name more distracting than helpful. > How about removing it? Yes, the ":" seems superfluous, but we'd have to come up with something else for outline to work off of then. Uhm... > - We would be able to avoid some weird indentation if we changed it from > 16/32 to 20/40. See how it indents around "C-M-". We > might even want to consider 22/44 (or something odd like 22/40), see > the indentation around "". I was wondering whether we should just ditch the whole 16/32 thing and compute the widths (per section), but not totally slavishly. That is, compute the max width, but if there's one ridiculously wide key entry (like " "), then don't take that into account (for the rest of the entries). I think that would give us more readable lists in general, but some experimentation is needed. > - Would the structure become more clear if there was one or two spaces > of indentation for the text under each section? Which text do you mean? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no