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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289960 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> "RS" =3D=3D Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It looks like we are making progress on the case of using gmail only > to receive incoming mail (by forwarding it). Assuming you can get an ema= il > account in a place with better policies than Google's. To be completely clear here.=20 1. That information was a bit unofficial. 2. Most likely the legal department would warn the user, that in the case of missing/disappearing messages it is entirely the user's fault, since he/she forwarded the messages. That enough will scare most of the users. > Do schools and employers ever require that you _send_ them mail > from the Google account you're ordered to use? I can only speak for my university and the answer is =C2=ABYes=C2=BB it doe= s do, and that is the core of the problem. I thought I could modify my =C2=ABFrom field=C2=BB and use either some exte= rnal SMTP servers or a SMTP server ones installed on my own machine), however messages by users more knowledgeable than me convinced me that such messages will be either blocked or marked as SPAM. So for the moment I only see two alternatives. 1. Use google app-password (for this approach one can still use gnus (and I presume rmail, vm, etc) vanilla). 2. 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