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Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:08:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <838rff7dwm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 29 Mar 2023 18:52:57 +0300") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:fZfX0uoEi+paWlQo6nQdqiXjk2zD8lSWlb/cBTFg3Sw+f67T0Vl 2XPJZ+fOHHeqsvRsWc3fmMNut6xNQrpcRiygMwVRd30yhX7tXYDGA/iHT8uQM7shaTEJjS0 80DuULss7+0XP6kgFYV5hOgW/WqKOaYLltzOwb9aInFqO3wQ/G+DHWrJ1dV51bBfAQx1iJL ymTu/LhNG5uai68J0fmWg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:sSjayoubLQ8=;Dzf+Rg7yLLa4ZDn0+HAI36iD5tI 3h3kjUgM/Saz/hayUtZQ7QJrlZgXiyB6oc9deNLZCQ6OH9LooBb9vcAHbihnjZRyJE6KraefO 4Vvcw7P4ihIqvh3d/hQatc8gVUki8YZiAejHERV8AtU9nvpCs6PdLTqCSg+Jm/Cpema6AFRdY FvfgUYPZDpGd6fczbAk1/5Fx54lm4yko9ghR/ICXsvo6PrsVZHSW7TG8AiqEvRljK3M9RlGwI ndIKin8bLvuUjXTm71D9Cx9OICdjQZ10rRdEXzfJuTIhi7DPvoc1A9cN4qG3Ns+dvZIhd62Xk fEUSEukTK/B7kVMqJmfb+i+EGEZcFdyJmjtOhN3R595v7osveUlgGf2xxU5uLrA464Yya4l/g fd1WnKzJMWrt3/ZpgG9lUiFGOJCFGMB1t56wP7RLFagoVvBl8vkNHzPz3J8Pqi20kt9qZrcEP 8G/lym8r2Nh1f7GAkPGQW8rhRzMRXaEWecDLI8hCAP50RYLjRfb9ZUeLJ07VeCig6twjlnJW0 3cx9QXnhPGnC6zoO/rcTxVKlfdxV3Bw4JEXzIhIucsG8OFwNXLR6inb3Dj5qauPd9rnQXbuQX vM5wNLySVN16WnYL8B1nKdK0zFkjP+xb/cLWNVHCKSxn3GmcK99y40Blr1LWM05/6vhIdo99h UB3mmXR+N5ocz4SN6tAoWDc4x6tJpZvz53OCOBJ0Ws+ioSo2M8EZi1+ew2qSO/FFJMSaSfSTy Opi9Fq0fx+p5dhTR8tEAd6daXjsxYE4FCAnHcE9L5YRfJV97m+iLPeREaelA3/bJHNt7dXQ2 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:258936 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > You also have worked in all my suggestions - apart from the "if you > > know how please load relevant Elisp source files before capturing an > > Elisp backtrace" one - intentionally? > > Maybe not. Can you tell to which part of the text this was related? That would be in (info "(emacs) Checklist") - the first item after "If you are willing to debug Emacs and provide additional information about the bug, here is some useful advice". And apart from mentioning loading related Elisp source files, I want to say that mentioning Edebug in this first paragraph: This causes the error to start the Lisp debugger, which shows you a backtrace. Copy the text of the debugger=E2=80=99s backtrace into the= bug report. *Note Edebug: (elisp)Edebug, for information on debugging Emacs Lisp programs with the Edebug package. is a bit unfortunate - we should either say that this is a different debugger, not to be confused with the one that pops up when enabling `debug-on-error', or just mention Edebug at a different place (in a footnote maybe?). Thanks, Michael.