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From: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@logand.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, jporterbugs@gmail.com,
	karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: continuation passing in Emacs vs. JUST-THIS-ONE
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 22:51:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v8hup705.fsf@logand.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83jzyh8w7l.fsf@gnu.org>

On Wed 12 Apr 2023 at 09:13, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> Async subprocesses are currently the only feature in Emacs that
> provides an opportunity for writing asynchronous code.

Do you not consider, for example, using implementations of async/await
using promisses and CPS rewriting "writing asynchronous code"?

Do you not consider, for example, doing the same using callbacks as
"writing asynchronous code"?

>> I do not know how useable threads in Emacs are at the moment,
>> but they are already there and the examples I tried worked well.
>
> If you think Lisp threads in Emacs allow asynchronous processing, you
> are mistaken: they don't.  Only one such thread can be running at any
> given time.

The examples I wrote worked fine with threads.  The examples did not
require parallelism.  I do not think that what you suggest disqualifies
threads for "writing asynchronous code".

It would be great to have better thread implementation, but that does
not seem to have anything to do with "writing asynchronous code".

Here is what I understand under synchronous code:

   (plus 1 2)
   returns 3 immediatelly

Here is what I understand under asynchronous code:

   (plus 1 2)
   returns something immediately
   and then some time later 3 appers in the *Message* buffer, for
   example

How that is achieved is an implementation (possibly leaky) detail.

It does not require anything running in parallel.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-17 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-11 12:53 continuation passing in Emacs vs. JUST-THIS-ONE Thomas Koch
2023-03-12  1:45 ` Jim Porter
2023-03-12  6:33   ` tomas
2023-03-14  6:39   ` Karthik Chikmagalur
2023-03-14 18:58     ` Jim Porter
2023-03-15 17:48       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-03-17  0:17         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-17  3:08           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-03-17  5:37             ` Jim Porter
2023-03-25 18:42             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-26 19:35               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-28  7:23                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-29 19:00                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-03  0:39                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-03  1:44                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-04-03  2:09                     ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-03  4:03                       ` Po Lu
2023-04-03  4:51                         ` Jim Porter
2023-04-10 21:47                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-11  2:53                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-11 19:59                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-11 20:22                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-11 23:07                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-12  6:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-17 20:51                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty [this message]
2023-04-18  2:25                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18  5:01                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-04-18 10:35                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-04-18 15:31                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-03-29 18:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-17  3:46                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-17 19:50                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-18  2:56                     ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-18  3:48                       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-22  2:48                         ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-18  6:19                     ` Jim Porter
2023-04-18  9:52                       ` Po Lu
2023-04-18 12:38                         ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-04-18 13:14                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-19  0:28                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2023-04-19  2:59                             ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-19 13:25                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-04-19 13:34                                 ` Robert Pluim
2023-04-19 14:19                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-21  1:33                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-04-19  1:11                           ` Po Lu
2023-04-17 21:00                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-14  3:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-14  6:28   ` Jim Porter
2023-03-16 21:35 ` miha
2023-03-16 22:14   ` Jim Porter
2023-03-25 21:05 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-03-26 23:50 ` Tomas Hlavaty

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