From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:26:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87v8dji98i.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9677"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:vMCyvi4CAyW7w1N3xj39KynPLS0= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 13 11:44:29 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qV7e8-0002Nz-QX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:44:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qV7dv-0005DF-RJ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:44:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qV7QF-0001AE-O6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qV7QD-0005dZ-VF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qV7QB-0005u7-QD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:30:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:44:13 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308664 Archived-At: Gerd Möllmann wrote: >> Okay, but here it isn't about joining the CL standard, it >> is the situation that we have "the Lisp editor" yet our >> Lisp is much slower than other people's Lisp, and for no >> good reason what I can understand as Emacs is C, and SBCL >> is C. What's the difference, why is one so much faster than >> the other? > > Just wanted to mention that SBCL is not implemented in C. > It only has a small C runtime containing various GC > alternatives and hardware/OS dependent stuff. Ikr? Wise move! Like a real operating system ... > The rest is Lisp, including bignums and compiler. C is the fastest we have and SBCL don't even use it, they don't need it. It is an embarrassment to the sport ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal