From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Howard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Enhancing ELisp for AI Work Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 07:22:30 -0900 Message-ID: <87v7v9f3uh.fsf@librehacker.com> References: <7290780.2375960.1734348492938.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <7290780.2375960.1734348492938@mail.yahoo.com> <6c53521e-4aa6-40d1-b4a5-0e00989ad201@easy-emacs.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14511"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 24 17:23:32 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ7gy-0003bn-5d for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 17:23:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ7gK-0000vZ-PM; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 11:22:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ7gJ-0000v3-1t for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 11:22:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([212.103.80.155]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ7gH-0003ww-9P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 11:22:50 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mx.kolabnow.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2314A3004C44; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 17:22:47 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: ext-mx-out013.mykolab.com (amavis); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=kolabnow.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kolabnow.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:mime-version :message-id:date:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:subject :from:from:received:received:received; s=dkim20240523; t= 1735057360; x=1736871761; bh=ezp2Bc9oK7KzW1aC4ACTBN0PsNNnqxYBMYw epjmOXgY=; b=RVGF1X8hNvy4OLf5aJUPHUXJLJdFWSPfPu32AkQJvFthcogTj9L Zc5RYo+KIEc/4WwiQ7QhVGpr6gxnoA7Ji8oUgez66s0KWx45wXrSS0W01XdDVgTn 0ZTfHzO8GaWMiYFa3dxNT/aBZFufPvrK3/y0jy3qzZCGKCYj/VMXNpqH0YhM/9yG nh+2VL6x/BLuOeDdXX4FtGqwZeFOFI178By7YjIeb/mRw8Fl9N46yRS10N8qf1pQ uV8ihWkvoKYTDgDKIBVc4uxbu2pE26t3sdSSJNYhpbxqS0tB3RQ4VqNeNJ0cACZE 5DcenDW0XJuQkl7RtjomQNLQeTuBP51om7g== X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at mykolab.com Original-Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext-mx-out013.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1cZpwVHwVC7f; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 17:22:40 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from int-mx011.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.11]) by mx.kolabnow.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 903BA30005A5; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 17:22:33 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ext-subm010.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.6.10]) by int-mx011.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 750053127280; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 17:22:33 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <6c53521e-4aa6-40d1-b4a5-0e00989ad201@easy-emacs.de> ("Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler=22's?= message of "Tue, 24 Dec 2024 11:57:08 +0100") Received-SPF: none client-ip=212.103.80.155; envelope-from=christopher@librehacker.com; helo=mx.kolabnow.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:148951 Archived-At: Andreas R=C3=B6hler writes: > LLMs are able to reason. With the amount of data they will be -- and > probably already are-- much stronger in reasoning/deduction then > humans. > > LLMs are creativ, constructing new terms from reasoning. The point of the previous article was to demonstrate that LLMs do not reaso= n, or more particularly, attempt to determine truth. They simply try to cal= culate what is the next most likely and natural thing you expect to see in = a flow of words. Sometimes you get something true out of that, often times = you get something that is either false or shallow. Explain how you go from that, to saying that LLMs are doing reasoning and d= eduction, and are creative. There are software programs that attempt to do deduction and reasoning, by = connecting propositions and arguments to determine truth and falsity. But a= s far as I understand, that is not what LLMs do. --=20 Christopher Howard