From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: a few MULE criticisms Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:09:26 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87u1bv4bbt.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <3EC2A0FA.1040007@yahoo.co.uk> <3EC3098C.2000809@yahoo.co.uk> <87of24439m.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <3EC3EF3A.8070902@yahoo.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1053069390 9521 80.91.224.249 (16 May 2003 07:16:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 16 09:16:29 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19GZS9-0002TO-00 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:16:29 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19GZaN-0000xH-00 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:24:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19GZTE-00072H-06 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:17:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19GZSF-00063R-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:16:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19GZO8-0003AP-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:12:22 -0400 Original-Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.98.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19GZM7-0002lz-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:10:16 -0400 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19GZLK-0002jf-00; Fri, 16 May 2003 16:09:26 +0900 Original-To: Hin-Tak Leung In-Reply-To: <3EC3EF3A.8070902@yahoo.co.uk> (Hin-Tak Leung's message of "Thu, 15 May 2003 20:49:14 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1001 (Gnus v5.10.1) XEmacs/21.5 (carrot, linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13919 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13919 >>>>> "Hin-Tak" == Hin-Tak Leung writes: Hin-Tak> The more popular methods tend to be ones in which the Hin-Tak> choices are narrowed down quickly and evenly as one more Hin-Tak> keystroke is added to the sequence. An explicit list would help. Emacs could offer them in order of popularity, at least to the extent that they are available in free versions. Hin-Tak> Yes, to much of my envy ... population-wise, the Chinese Hin-Tak> is so much bigger, and yet in the issue of computer Hin-Tak> over-all localization the Japanese is so much more Hin-Tak> advanced. The civil war and the political turmoils Hin-Tak> within China until the late 80's has done much harm to Hin-Tak> the general education and technology advances (in Hin-Tak> addition to other social/economical problems). I'm in no position to judge what might have "held China back." However, it's no accident that Japan is advanced in localization. Japan has a strong culture of all users criticizing and improving their own tools and working environment, each making a few incremental improvements. Often it is formalized in industry in the practice of "quality circles," but it works just as well informally. It is perfectly adapted to producing good localization, not to mention being closely related to the practices of free software. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.