From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-h and TUTORIAL Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:54:42 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87u0vs7eil.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20040726.064811.41627346.wl@gnu.org> <20040728.011301.41638740.wl@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1091001349 21975 80.91.224.253 (28 Jul 2004 07:55:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 28 09:55:42 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BpjHq-0005Vy-00 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:55:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BpjKy-00063y-3w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:58:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BpjKd-00063t-Rb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:58:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BpjKZ-00063h-9p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:58:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BpjKY-00063e-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:58:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [130.158.98.109] (helo=tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BpjGu-0005Ss-He; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:54:44 -0400 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BpjGs-000188-00; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:54:42 +0900 Original-To: Werner LEMBERG In-Reply-To: <20040728.011301.41638740.wl@gnu.org> (Werner LEMBERG's message of "Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:13:01 +0200 (CEST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:26042 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:26042 >>>>> "Werner" == Werner LEMBERG writes: >> Is C-h T really that much easier than C-u C-h t? I don't see >> the great improvement. Werner> The very problem is that a new user doesn't know about the Werner> `C-u' prefix argument to the `F1' key. Why not abolish the language-selection binding, take the default argument for `help-with-tutorial' from (or (getenv "LC_MESSAGES" ) (getenv "LANG") "en") and put "If you'd like to study this TUTORIAL in a different language, click here". near the beginning of the TUTORIAL. Later, when somebody's got some time, they can set up a toolbar with a flag (or flags, for multinational languages) for each language, and you can get rid of the ugly hyperlink. (Conditional on toolbars enabled, of course.) -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.