From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Calc: `*' binds more strongly than `/' Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: <87tzvhcul9.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87y7kvxj6p.fsf@arcor.de> <87odlrkn74.fsf@truman.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176664918 1547 80.91.229.12 (15 Apr 2007 19:21:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: belanger@truman.edu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 15 21:21:52 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HdAIK-0007Lh-0k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:21:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdAMq-0000CO-ED for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:26:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HdAMH-0008PN-TN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:25:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdAMH-0008OZ-ES for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:25:57 -0400 Original-Received: from south-station-annex.mit.edu ([18.72.1.2]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HdAHk-0003JO-67 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:21:16 -0400 Original-Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by south-station-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id l3FJLEjW016763; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (OUTGOING-LEGACY.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.104]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id l3FJL7u8014031; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from localhost (SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-FIFTY-SEVEN.MIT.EDU [18.95.7.246]) ) by outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id l3FJL7wK013297; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from cyd by localhost with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1HdAHa-0004i0-00; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:21:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87odlrkn74.fsf@truman.edu> (Jay Belanger's message of "Sat\, 14 Apr 2007 10\:09\:03 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.97 (gnu/linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-detected-kernel: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69465 Archived-At: Jay Belanger writes: >> This is something I just feel I have to mention before the release, as >> it is very confusing, IMHO: `*' binds more strongly than `/' in M-x >> calc. > ... >> Later, I also found it in the Calc manual: > ... >> I believe (but I do not know) that Calc's behaviour is (too) far from >> what `ordinary' people (like me ;-) would expect: > ... >> I don't know if it is possible to change the current behaviour, > > I agree with what you've said, and it wouldn't be hard to change the > behavior, but, as you say, > >> The current behaviour was surely chosen for a reason, > > I'm not sure what the reason was, and I'm not sure the behavior should > change without knowing why the unusual behavior was put in place to > begin with. I added a strong note to the calc manual, in the tutorial section on algebraic entry, about this point. (There are already multiple other places in the Calc manual that re-iterate this).