From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: uptime.el Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:14:55 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87tzk9vwem.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87lk5ppxj4.fsf@jurta.org> <8g4pcb9aen.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ir0rcknh.fsf@jurta.org> <6izlu23aw5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878x1l690b.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203189967 28855 80.91.229.12 (16 Feb 2008 19:26:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rocher@member.fsf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 16 20:26:30 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JQSg9-0002ZL-IW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:26:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JQSff-0001fk-8H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:25:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JQSf1-0001KW-IC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:25:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JQSf0-0001JF-1O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:25:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JQSez-0001J1-Pu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:25:17 -0500 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JQSev-0002Mo-Ut; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:25:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JQSen-000NoF-M3; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:25:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:35:37 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 367251710ae6d8069d2a2bb66b314d03 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2246 [Feb 15 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 11 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89266 Archived-At: >> Maybe emacs-init-time (for both the variable and command names >> to reduce confusion). > > I was actually thinking it might be good to rename emacs-startup-time > to before-init-time, and add after-init-time (consistent with > before-init-hook etc). I think it would be confusing for -time to mean > both a time and an interval. I agree that before-init-time and after-init-time are better for consistency, and I also think that emacs-init-time would be consistent with emacs-uptime regardless of the distinction between a time and an interval. >> But do you expect an instance of Emacs to run years (as can be reported >> by emacs-uptime :)? > > Why not? That was a deliberate piece of optimism! :) So there is the difference: optimism is to expect years in the Emacs running time but pessimism is to expect the same in the Emacs startup duration :) -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/