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From: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jeremy@jeremyms.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MAINTAINERS file
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:28:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tzjmnsiz.fsf@jbms.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: uejaqi7fe.fsf@gnu.org

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

[snip]

>> (In fact, to the extent
>> that using an inferior tool may interfere with Emacs development, the
>> Emacs project, and consequently free software as a whole, is harmed.)

> I'm sure you don't want to claim that bzr is "inferior".  (If you do,
> please provide some evidence.)  No one here will want to use an
> inferior tool.  The issue is, all things being approximately equal,
> which tool to choose.

I'm not claiming that bzr is necessarily inferior; I don't know enough
about bzr to be sure.  What I'm claiming is that it _might_ be inferior,
and it seems the decision to use it was based on largely on it being
"GNU" and seeming to be at least "decent".  In particular, it seems that
the decision to use it was not based on any actual experience in using
bzr or any alternatives.

One thing that git has going for it over the alternatives is a very
large and active developer base.

>> Favoring projects that have the "GNU" label suggests a real motivation
>> of merely promoting the "GNU" name.
>> 
>> You may argue that promoting the "GNU" name is important for promoting
>> free software, but I don't buy that.

> This is a misunderstanding: we are not talking about names or labels.
> Being a GNU package means much more than just a word in a name.

Sure, being a GNU package means that the package is consistent with free
software ideology, but it is important to realize that _not_ being a GNU
package does not mean that it is inconsistent with free software
ideology.  In particular, you can't claim that using bzr will somehow
help the free software movement more than using Git or Mercurial will.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard




  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-04 20:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-28 23:51 MAINTAINERS file Nick Roberts
2008-02-29  6:57 ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29  7:05   ` Miles Bader
2008-02-29  9:57     ` Andreas Röhler
2008-02-29 10:30     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:25     ` Bastien
2008-02-29 11:32       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:50         ` Bastien Guerry
2008-02-29 11:56           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 12:05             ` Bastien
2008-02-29 12:11               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:53       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-01  1:00     ` Xavier Maillard
2008-02-29  8:05   ` Glenn Morris
2008-02-29 11:21   ` Nick Roberts
2008-02-29 22:34     ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29 23:28       ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29 23:31         ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-01  6:28       ` Nick Roberts
2008-03-01  9:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-01 15:52         ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-01 19:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-01 23:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-02  5:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-02 21:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-02 21:33     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03  3:20       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-03  4:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 12:55       ` Romain Francoise
2008-03-03 13:44         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 15:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 15:23             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 16:51           ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-03 17:01             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 17:32               ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-03 18:16                 ` Leo
2008-03-03 21:58                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:07                   ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-03 22:10                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 22:35                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:55                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 22:57                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 17:13             ` paul r
2008-03-04  0:56               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-04  2:09                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-04 17:37                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-04 18:15                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-04 22:18                     ` Glenn Morris
2008-03-05 21:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 22:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 22:33                           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06 17:14                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 17:21                               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06 18:12                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 20:14                                   ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-06 21:21                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  0:10                                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-07  4:10                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  3:09                                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  2:25                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  3:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05  0:17                   ` Jason Earl
2008-03-05  2:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05  3:11                       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05  8:02                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-05 23:07                       ` Jason Earl
2008-03-06  8:33                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-06 19:09                           ` Jason Earl
2008-03-06 19:19                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-04 12:56                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-04 13:56                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-04 18:41                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2008-03-04 20:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-04 20:28                         ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard [this message]
2008-03-04 22:48                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-05 16:25                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07  3:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  8:50                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07  9:20                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07 10:27                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07 18:47                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  0:35                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-08  2:27                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  0:59                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-08  3:06                                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  1:43                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-09  2:17                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 12:43                                           ` Davi Leal
2008-03-09 20:53                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 16:39                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-03-07 16:47                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-09  2:17                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 23:34                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-10  8:15                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-10  9:11                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-10  9:23                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-10 11:50                                         ` Harsha
2008-03-10 12:05                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-11 13:41                                             ` Walter Franzini
2008-03-10 15:19                                         ` Gilaras Drakeson
2008-03-11  9:24                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 17:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  9:16                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09  2:18                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-18 19:07                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-03-05  9:45                       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07  3:37                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 21:34                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-03 17:22             ` Bastien
2008-03-03 15:05         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 16:29       ` merging Emacs.app (was Re: MAINTAINERS file) Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-03 21:38         ` merging Emacs.app Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05  5:04           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05 12:38             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-05 16:05               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06  0:58                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-06  4:03                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-07  3:16                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-07  3:20                       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  3:43                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-08  3:46                           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  5:13                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-08 16:58                             ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 17:14                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 17:46                               ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 18:34                                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 18:59                                   ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 22:01                                     ` The Aquamacs fork (was Re: merging Emacs.app) Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 18:40                                 ` merging Emacs.app David Kastrup
2008-03-09 10:05                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-09 13:14                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-09 13:27                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09 14:30                                     ` David Reitter
2008-03-10  0:19                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-10 10:06                   ` Adrian Robert
2008-03-10 10:48                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-10 14:09                       ` Adrian Robert
2008-03-10 15:52                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 18:26       ` MAINTAINERS file Richard Stallman
2008-03-03 21:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-04 23:03           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 12:10           ` Bastien
2008-03-09  1:00             ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  2:44               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:40               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-03  2:14   ` Chong Yidong

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