From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please stop proposing changes in defaults! Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:48:28 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87tzhuxm95.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87ve2ac2eo.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208857457 1671 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2008 09:44:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 22 11:44:52 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JoF3Q-0007xE-KO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:44:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoF2k-0003D5-PA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:44:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoF17-0001lG-Bm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:42:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JoF15-0001jh-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:42:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JoF14-0001jL-IK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:42:23 -0400 Original-Received: from relay03.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.201]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JoF0w-00067m-Sp; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:42:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay03.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JoF0s-0006yA-FI; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:42:11 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:20:50 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: ba97961d419726f65b83e74233c16638 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2684 [Apr 22 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95750 Archived-At: > Adding the attractive features of IDE is exactly the sort of work I > think we should aim to do. That is why I ask people to stop proposing > incompatible changes in basic editing commands. What makes IDEs > convenient is not the details of their editing commands, it is the > other capabilities they have. If changing some defaults makes Emacs more attractive to IDE users especially when such change doesn't hurt existing Emacs user, like your suggestion to enable delete-selection-mode only after shift-selection and mouse-selection, this would be a good thing. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/