From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Johannes Weiner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87tzd2ocpw.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> References: <48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com> <87wshzpszz.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48B85518.3000208@gmail.com> <87d4jqq33q.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48B94038.5070501@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220102839 11326 80.91.229.12 (30 Aug 2008 13:27:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 30 15:28:13 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZQUt-00072u-TX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:28:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52592 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZQTv-0003un-B6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:27:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZQTr-0003t9-5E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZQTq-0003sX-GJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:27:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58116 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZQTq-0003sG-85 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:27:06 -0400 Original-Received: from saeurebad.de ([85.214.36.134]:56073) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZQTp-0004zy-UF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:27:06 -0400 Original-Received: by saeurebad.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id 5DC664A000A; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:27:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (217-68-166-87.dynamic.primacom.net [217.68.166.87]) by saeurebad.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A2D4A0008; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:27:03 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <48B94038.5070501@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:42:32 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.3 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103262 Archived-At: Hi Lennart, "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > Johannes Weiner wrote: >>>> Do you see the paradoxon? >>> I don't know. What is it? Sounds like some fairytale animal. >> >> Sorry, translation error. Remove the -on ending by either deleting it >> or moving it into the trash-can. > > Oh, I imagined a sweet animal but a bit sad and lonely animal standing > there watching us when we were trying to fit into a small logical > prison. It felt said because we were trying to defend ourselves from > life and all its possibilities and no one asked it for the wisdom it > had ... It felt said? >> Why do you expect it from the UI in the first place? > > Thomas Lord took some time to explain what user interface (scientific > and non-scientific) research had found in this area. > > I simply think it is good trying to use the result from that research. > (Or invalidate it, but I think that takes much, much time to try. And I > do not expect it to succeed.) I already invalidated them for myself and I am sure there are others who like terminal deletion. My only wish is that whatever fix will result from this thread is nothing that changes the default behaviour for the main bulk of dired users that are used to it and can cope. My main question, though, was why you expected the trash can thing from an interface that obviously has its roots in *nix cli programs. Hannes